- 10 November 2018 at 8:19 pm #553133
I bought this plane a few months ago. It’s an old Record #4 plane. Everything seems to be ok, but there is a problem: the sole is rather shorter than my other #4 planes (a Record one and a pair of Stanleys), and when I try to adjust the iron for cutting my knuckle hits the adjusting wheel and the plane becomes almost impossible to use. I’ve tried to leave the second finger around the frog, not rounding the tote, but I haven’t control on the plane when I do that.
My hand is normal-sized, I think. All parts in the plane look the original ones, but definitively there is no place for fingers when the plane is adjusted, even setting the blade for the lightest cut.
I’ve thought about changing the wheel, replacing it with a 1″ one (perhaps someone changed it in the pass?), but I’m not sure that it be the solution. The plane is more or less half an inch shorter than my other planes on the same number. You can see it besides my other Record plane on the photos. I’d like to conserve this plane, although I bought it very cheap. The frog face is specially flat, and the iron cuts really well even whitout sharpening it, as it has come from the flea market. It looks like very old, but it has almost no rust, and I think that it is a good plane.
Thank you very much.
You must be logged in to access attached files.10 November 2018 at 9:17 pm #553137peter tiffneyParticipant
it’s not a record plane all record planes have the heel of the plane sole relieved filed to an upward sweep10 November 2018 at 9:33 pm #55313812 November 2018 at 12:47 am #553162Larry GeibParticipant
I’m not sure a too short sole is the issue. 9 5/16” is well within the length range for a #4 Stanley. Both of mine are that length. But since you have two planes, you can swap parts on them to check everything is to spec.
When I look at the two planes, I notice the adjuster wheel on the short plane is unscrewed much more towards the rear than your longer plane. Also, the flange on the nut looks thinner. It might be worn.
Try swapping adjust nuts to se if that makes a difference.
Make sure the two planes have the same throat opening.
If that doesn’t do it try swapping the cap irons on the planes. One of the irons may not be an original record part, or the hole the adjuster frog fits into May have been filed or worn too big or the adjuster frog might be too worn.
You might also see if swapping the tote handles helps.
And once in a while, a plane gets sold with the incorrect frog for a particular sole. Harlequin planes aren’t unheard of in the used tool market.16 November 2018 at 7:34 pm #553294
Thanks for your response, Larry.
Yes, I also think that frog could have been changed or replaced. All parts look and work well. Iron and cap iron seem to be the original ones. The only problem is the room for fingers, probably for replacing the frog (or the sole). It’s a pity, but I can’t use the plane as it is. It will probably end its days in donnation of parts for other planes.17 November 2018 at 12:57 am #553296Larry GeibParticipant
Yeah, too bad. Looking on the inter webs, the parts cost more than the plane.
Which tells me you should become a web parts provider.17 November 2018 at 6:45 pm #553311deanbeckerParticipant
i was having trouble with one #4and my hand. i set the blade out a little further on the cap iron about 1/16th instead of right at the edge and moved the frog a smile to the rear that gave me more room. it didn’t seem to make much difference in the planes function.
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