Drilling dog holes in my bench

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    Joe Kaiser
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    I am considering drilling dog holes in my bench. I often find myself struggling with finding a way to hole my work piece and I often feel like being able to insert a planing stop, or hold a batton down with a hold fast would be nice. I have tried the clamp-in-vice method, but I don’t get good results with it.

    Has anyone done this on a “Paul Sellers” bench”? What hole pattern did you use? My one worry is that having a tool well limits how far from the edge I can put a hole, and will make them basically useless.

    Seattle, WA

    #136884

    Peter George
    Participant

    I use dogs and holdfasts all the time. My bench is not a Paul Sellers style, but I believe holdfasts were used extensively the the English joiners bench, which is similar to the Sellers design.

    I have a row of dog holes to work with my inset vise and some holes for holdfasts. I’ve attached a picture taken shortly after I finished my bench, which will give you an idea of the hole pattern I used. I’ve added a couple of holes since on a as required basis.

    Peter in
    Biggar SK
    "New York is big, but this is Biggar"

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    David Perrott
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    Yes I drilled holes in mine. Sometimes my holdfasts don’t hold the piece real well. Lets just say my top isn’t perfectly flat! I think that is the issue but I’m making a new bench anyways. I also worked for a longtime with out them but do prefer them. I just drilled holes where ever I thought I needed one. I’m sure there is a more scientific method. I think Chris Schwartz has a blog entry on placement that could be helpful.

    #136888

    Joe Kaiser
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    @pjgeorge

    That is the hole placement I was thinking. My only worry is my top is 13″ before I hit my tool well, and I often find myself working on 10″ (or wider) boards. I can’t see how any holes would be effective there.

    Maybe I should remove my tool well and add another laminated section :p

    Actually…that was kind of a joke, but my tool well is 11″ Maybe I could cut that down to 6″ and gain another 5 in work surface. other than my plane (which can be turned sideways) I don’t use more than 6″ in my well anyway.

    Decisions to be made!

    Seattle, WA

    #136889

    STEVE MASSIE
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    I have a Paul Sellers style bench and drilled ( 3 ) dog holes so I could use a holdfast or stop of some kind. It has worked out great.

    Steve

    Steve Massie, I live in the great State of Florida, US

    #136896

    Matt McGrane
    Participant

    Hey, Joe. I also don’t have a Sellers bench, but I use dog holes for holding stock to the bench when I plane surfaces. The dog holes line up with my end vise’s metal dog. So far I don’t have any dog holes in line with the front vise. The distance my holes are from the front of the bench was dependent on the location of the vise dog. I’ve seen some benches with vises (like Peter’s) where the dog holes are much closer to the front of the bench and there are some real advantages to that. The spacing of the holes has to do with the max opening of the vise. I spaced them so there is no length of board that can’t be clamped – except that I couldn’t put the holes where the front vise is (I might still drill them there).

    Matt, Northern California - Started a blog in 2016: http://tinyshopww.blogspot.com/

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    Peter George
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    I often use dogs when I’m running grooves with the plow plane or cutting rebates. In those cases being able to clamp the board so it’s even with the edge of the bench is an advantage, so having the holes close to the edge helps in those cases.

    What Matt said about the hole spacing is right on.

    Mr. Sellers had a blog post where he was using hold fasts in a piece of wood clamped in the vise. Something like that may be a starting point.

    https://paulsellers.com/2015/11/great-holdfasting-system/

    Peter in
    Biggar SK
    "New York is big, but this is Biggar"

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    #136958

    Joe Kaiser
    Participant

    I was thinking of putting my holes 2 inches from the front edge. Does that seem about right?

    Seattle, WA

    #136959

    Peter George
    Participant

    Mine are about 2 1/2 inches. That was constrained by the width of the inset vise and the edging around the bench. That seems to work ok.

    Just remember you want them to be through holes so you’ll have to take the depth (width?) of the apron into account.

    Peter in
    Biggar SK
    "New York is big, but this is Biggar"

    #137457

    Paul Dallender
    Participant

    Hi Joe,
    If you go to You Tube and put in Paul Sellers Dog Holes, there is a video showing how he fitted dog holes in his bench (sorry I couldn’t get the link to work on here). He also shows you how to make your own dogs. This was originally done to show how to retro-fit a non dogging vice and I think I’ll probably use this on my bench, I am just about to finish as my old Record vice wasn’t made with a dog.

    Hope this helps.

    Paul - A southern lad living up north - Nr York England

    #137483

    BarryB
    Participant

    Retro fitting a Non-Dogged Vise – with Paul Sellers

    New Brunswick, Canada

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