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  • #588965
    Lance Blurton
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    I am going to start to build the Kitchen cabinets for may new house. I was planning on doing Frame and panel for the sides and back for the practice. I want to use solid wood. Does any one know how big the panels can be or is there no limit. The largest will be 36 inches.

    Thank you for all your wisdom

    #589036
    Larry Geib
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    With solid wood there is most definitely a limit, two actually.

    First, if you make panels on lower cabinets wider that they are tall, it looks weird. If they are door panels, they will intrude far into the room when you open them.

    Second is wood movement. Solid wood can move more in width than what is allowed for in the groove that frame an panel construction is usually made with. Consider that the first commercial manufacture of high grade plywood was to make the construction of single panel house doors possible.

    https://www.apawood.org/data/Sites/1/documents/monographs/1-portland-manufacturing-co.pdf

    Think frame and panels around 24” max. That’s about a 19” wide board. Even that is pushing it. Solid doors usually are two or more panels wide for a good reason.

    #589106
    Benoît Van Noten
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    25 years ago, (I was not yet in woodworking) we bought an IKEA kitchen. We have solid wood “frame and panel” doors. Nothing has moved.
    The widest doors are 60 cm. Distance from groove bottom to groove bottom is 49 cm. Grooves are 1 cm deep.
    Looking at the top edge of the frames, they are visibly made with shaper’s bits with complementary profiles.

    I have an old garde-robe which also has panels about 49 cm wide.

    So 49 cm wide panels are perfectly OK.
    No limit (except aesthetic) for the height).

    We have room doors with 56 cm wide panels, but then the groove are about 1.5 cm deep.

    #589111
    Tom Davies
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    My advice would be to use plywood for the caracasses, other than at the end of a run where the carcass will actually be visible. You’ll have plenty of practise at frame and panel when you do the doors!

    #589204
    Lance Blurton
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    Thank you all for the information. I do greatly appreciate it

    #589251
    Sven-Olof Jansson
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    One of the advantages with making cabinets and cupboards is that dimensioning can be adjusted to the premises.

    The attached photo shows my solution to only having slightly more than 6 ft. available for a kitchen bench. The dishwasher recess is European standard of 600 mm width, and the cabinet is 900 mm wide. By making the bench taller than standard, I got away with one single door that is higher than it is wide. And we could fit a wide sink.

    The bench is a Scots pine frame and plywood panel construction. With temperature kept >16° C (61 °F), we’ve had no problems with dimension changes due to humidity.

    The cupboards above received double doors, to not having the open doors protruding outside the bench front.

    (The photo was shot past 4 pm, hence the two empty margarita glasses).

    Sven-Olof Jansson
    London, UK; Boston, MA

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