Skip to content
Woodworking Masterclasses
Facebook Instagram
  • Register Now
  • Video Library
  • GalleryExpand
    • Bedside Cabinet GalleryExpand
      • Assembly Table Gallery
      • Bathroom Cabinet Gallery
      • Bench Stool Gallery
      • Blanket Chest Gallery
      • Bookends Gallery
      • Book Shelves Gallery
      • Breadboard-end Cutting Board Gallery
      • Carrying Tote Gallery
      • Chess Board Gallery
      • Chest of Drawers Gallery
      • Christmas Gallery
      • Coasters Gallery
      • Coat Rack Gallery
      • Coffee Table Gallery
      • Corner Shelf Gallery
      • Craftsman-style Lamp Gallery
      • Dining Chair Gallery
      • Dovetail Boxes Gallery
      • Fly Swat Gallery
      • Frame Saw Gallery
    • Foot Stool GalleryExpand
      • How to Make a Table
      • Joiner’s Mallet Gallery
      • Joiners’ Toolbox Gallery
      • Keepsake Box Gallery
      • Laptop Desk Gallery
      • Leaning Wall Shelf Gallery
      • Mitre Box Gallery
      • Occasional Table Gallery
      • Picture Frames Gallery
      • Rocking Chair
      • Sawhorse Gallery
      • Shaker-Style Bench Seat Gallery
      • Shaker Stool Gallery
      • Sofa Table Gallery
      • Stepladder Gallery
    • Trestle TableExpand
      • Tool Cabinet
      • Tool Chest Gallery
      • Walking Cane Gallery
      • Wall Brackets Gallery
      • Wallclock Gallery
      • Wall Shelf Gallery
      • Winding Sticks Gallery
      • Wooden Plane Gallery
      • Wooden Spokeshave
      • Wooden Tray Gallery
      • Workbench Gallery
      • Other user projects vol. I
      • Other user projects vol. II
      • Submit Photos to Gallery
  • About Us
  • News
  • FAQsExpand
    • General FAQs
    • Workbench FAQs
  • Contact
Account Login
Woodworking Masterclasses

How to install shelf in this night stand

Search
Previous Back to: Projects12 Replies

Welcome! / Forums / General Woodworking Discussions / Projects / How to install shelf in this night stand

  • This topic has 12 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated 7 years, 11 months ago by Frank Joseph.
  • Author
    Posts
  • Wesley
    1 August 2015 at 8:16 am #128997

    Hi all,

    I’m currently working on a prototype for a nightstand and I’ve come across a bit of a design issue. It’s a bit hard to explain because I’ve already built most of the prototype, but also want to share what else I have in mind so you can see what I’m struggling with.

    I’ve done some work in Sketchup to show you what I’m aiming for. I’m no Sketchup hero so it’s not complete.

    In the zoomout picture you can see (most) of what I want to achieve. The top is missing, as is the drawer. What I’m struggling with is a shelf I want to install at the bottom, flush with the bottom apron.

    Initially I thought I’d just cut housing joints in each of the 4 legs and I’ve actually cut these in my prototype. The zoomin image should show you what I mean.

    Now the problem is fitting the shelf in such a way you don’t see gaps. This is quite challenging because you have to keep disassembling and assembling the joints to test the fit. And then you get it wrong…

    Is there a better way of achieving this? Maybe use turn buttons to pull the aprons and the shelf together? Perhaps mortise the shelf into the aprons?

    Something tells me there is a much simple solution out there. Anyone?

    Wesley

    Attachments:
    You must be logged in to view attached files.
    Settings
    Brett aka Pheasantww
    1 August 2015 at 11:36 am #129000

    I have a similar nightstand and the shelf just sits on the aprons. It is a tight fit so any gaps are minimal but it is NOT integral to the construction of the carcass. Just make sure the shelf is flat and stout. Mine is made out of 3/4″ oak.

    With your design you may have to notch the corners of the shelf, but no big deal. This is by far the easiest way to handle a bottom shelf.

    Settings
    Wesley
    1 August 2015 at 2:41 pm #129001

    Hi Brett,

    Thanks. You mean the shelf is actually resting on top of the aprons? No screws, glue or joints? That sure sounds far simpler than what I had in mind. What happens when the shelf contracts?

    Wesley

    Settings
    Brett aka Pheasantww
    2 August 2015 at 11:34 am #129009

    Correct NO attachments, resting on the aprons. Best type of wood for this is something stable. Straight grained. I used quarter sawn oak. And as I mentioned it needs to be flat so after thicknessing and glueing the panel together, flatten the wood. Then let it sit for a day or so and re-adjust its flatness.

    By NOT attaching or making it integral to the carcass, you have no issues with the wood expanding or contracting due to humidity. So your gap will become bigger or smaller as the season changes.

    If after some time one of the corners does raise up, you can attach a small piece of felt to the bottom of that corner so it does not wobble.

    Settings
    Wesley
    3 August 2015 at 8:49 am #129012

    Thanks Brett, I’ll try that!

    Settings
    Ed
    3 August 2015 at 12:54 pm #129017

    It looks like the front and back are open, so that the front and back aprons do not have grooves in them to receive the slats that are on the sides of the piece. If so, and maybe in all cases, you could run a groove on the face of the front and back aprons. Let’s say your bottom shelf is 3/4″ thick. Then you could do something like a 1/2″ groove ploughed 1/2″ down from the edge of the apron. Next, oversize the shelf by twice the depth of your groove and cut a rabbet along the front and back edge of the bottom. (You’ll see below this is really going to be a dado cut at the edge of the board.)

    You would glue up your two sides independently, then assemble the front and back apron into one of them, slide the bottom into the grooves, then attach the second side. So, it is like a drawer bottom.

    You’ll need to think about wood movement if the dimensions are big enough. If you run the grain left to right for the bottom, it will push deeper into the grooves as it expands and could push the mortise and tenons apart if you dimension everything “exactly,” e.g., to avoid a loose bottom. You could leave some extra room so that there is a gap between the tongue and the bottom of the groove, but then the bottom will rattle. If that’s a problem, then, if you run the grain front to back on the bottom, now the the bottom will expand side to side, sliding in the groove. Lengths don’t change much, so you could make things bottom out in the groove, make the rabbet a bit too wide, say by an 1/8, and cut the width of the bottom short by a 1/4 so that you’ll have a uniform 1/8″ gap all around the bottom. It will give good visual contrast. If you glue the center two inches of the groove to tack the bottom in place, it won’t rattle and will be able to expand side to side along the groove and into the gaps you left.

    Edit: Guess that’s quite complicated compared to resting the bottom on top. 🙂 One thing to note is that, with that gap that I’m suggesting, it would be hard to get stain or dye into the gap when finishing and you’d probably need to do your color application prior to glue up. That may make some sense no matter how you do this, actually, especially if you are using dye and the gaps between the side slats are tight.

    Settings
    Wesley
    4 August 2015 at 7:28 pm #129054

    Thanks Ed. I’ll consider this approach as well. Hadn’t considered putting dye on before assembly but that sounds pretty smart.

    Wesley

    Settings
    David Howard
    16 September 2015 at 3:43 am #130541

    One way is to complete the joints on one side of the shelf, to two of the legs, assemble partailly with out the shelf, hold shelf in the assembled shelf area and pressing the completed side in against each leg and mark the exact size on each of the other joints…

    If you are going to finish the night stand with 4 or 5 coats of a poly type finish, apply the finish to both sides of the shelf, in this way you can slow down the woods ability to take in moisture quickly.

    Settings
    Wesley
    17 September 2015 at 4:07 pm #130597

    Thanks David. I went for the ‘floating’ shelf option as suggested by Brett. Still working on the piece, though. The ‘filler’ pieces on the side (don’t know how to call them) were quite a lot of work, since I decided to cut overlapping rebates on them. This way they have space to expand a little, but it sure takes time without a rebate plane.

    Will post a picture when finished. Any month now…

    Wesley

    Settings
    Wesley
    15 October 2015 at 11:34 am #131355

    Hi all,

    The night stand is finished. I went with the “floating shelf” and I must say it worked out very well. The whole is not entirely square, which resulted in some gaps around the shelf.

    Originally this was supposed to be a prototype but since it took me 3 months to make *and* my wife wants two, I decided this is a keeper.

    To go for a rustic look it was painted white using Annie Sloan chalk paint. I diluted it with a little water in order to show some of the grain underneath.

    The top was stained and then treated with Danish oil. I like how it turned out.

    Now I need to make another one…

    Wesley

    Attachments:
    You must be logged in to view attached files.
    Settings
    Marilyn Moreno
    15 October 2015 at 6:19 pm #131367

    Wesley,
    I agree. The table turned out great. Your diluted chalk paint makes it looked like the wood was bleached (I guess that’s the term for it).
    So simple, but the few touches in design makes it a wonderful piece, (the shaped legs and the bottom apron really make it).

    Nice design…
    🙂

    Marilyn

    Settings
    Brett aka Pheasantww
    16 October 2015 at 11:43 am #131386

    Looks good, Weslee..

    Settings
    Frank Joseph
    16 October 2015 at 2:57 pm #131387

    Hi Weslee..
    it looks very good your planing paid off big time on this,the paint is a good effect with the stain top, your idea of using dye would have worked well for the top but the stain is a winner.using the thinned paint was also a winner.
    in total a winner good going
    Frankj

    Settings
  • Author
    Posts
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
Log In

About Our Company

Woodworking Masterclasses is a trading name of Rokesmith Ltd

Rokesmith Ltd



About Rokesmith Ltd | Privacy Policy | Terms and Conditions | About Us


Useful Links

© 2023 - Rokesmith Ltd

  • Register Now
  • Video Library
  • Gallery
    • Bedside Cabinet Gallery
      • Assembly Table Gallery
      • Bathroom Cabinet Gallery
      • Bench Stool Gallery
      • Blanket Chest Gallery
      • Bookends Gallery
      • Book Shelves Gallery
      • Breadboard-end Cutting Board Gallery
      • Carrying Tote Gallery
      • Chess Board Gallery
      • Chest of Drawers Gallery
      • Christmas Gallery
      • Coasters Gallery
      • Coat Rack Gallery
      • Coffee Table Gallery
      • Corner Shelf Gallery
      • Craftsman-style Lamp Gallery
      • Dining Chair Gallery
      • Dovetail Boxes Gallery
      • Fly Swat Gallery
      • Frame Saw Gallery
    • Foot Stool Gallery
      • How to Make a Table
      • Joiner’s Mallet Gallery
      • Joiners’ Toolbox Gallery
      • Keepsake Box Gallery
      • Laptop Desk Gallery
      • Leaning Wall Shelf Gallery
      • Mitre Box Gallery
      • Occasional Table Gallery
      • Picture Frames Gallery
      • Rocking Chair
      • Sawhorse Gallery
      • Shaker-Style Bench Seat Gallery
      • Shaker Stool Gallery
      • Sofa Table Gallery
      • Stepladder Gallery
    • Trestle Table
      • Tool Cabinet
      • Tool Chest Gallery
      • Walking Cane Gallery
      • Wall Brackets Gallery
      • Wallclock Gallery
      • Wall Shelf Gallery
      • Winding Sticks Gallery
      • Wooden Plane Gallery
      • Wooden Spokeshave
      • Wooden Tray Gallery
      • Workbench Gallery
      • Other user projects vol. I
      • Other user projects vol. II
      • Submit Photos to Gallery
  • About Us
  • News
  • FAQs
    • General FAQs
    • Workbench FAQs
  • Contact
Login Account
Search