18 May 2016 at 4:08 pm #137235Philip AdamsParticipant
We, the Woodworking Masterclasses Team, have a new form of presentation/course that we want to test out on you dedicated Woodworking Masterclasses followers to get your valuable feedback.
It is accessible through our new website below, and takes you step by step through the process of making a spatula:
You will have to register for it separately so that it can track your progress, and there will be a form for feedback at the end.
Thank you for your help as we try out new ways to help get people woodworking.
Phil and the Woodworking Masterclasses team
I work alongside Paul to plan and produce the videos for Woodworking Masterclasses18 May 2016 at 4:51 pm #137244Joe KaiserParticipant
Exciting! I will look at it right now.
OK, I just got back from going through the site. I really enjoy the format. I hope you would use it alongside the format here at WWMM. I think both are useful and educational.
The new process at LW.org is helpful if I wasn’t confident. What I mean is for beginners, or even someone who finds something out of their reach. For example, I would love to make my own wooden planes, but I don’t feel like I have the skills to do that just yet. A process like the spatula would be very nice.
On the other side, it is sometimes nice to just turn on a WWMM video while I am doing the dished and listen to it in the background. I always pick up a tip or two from Paul as he is fitting a tenon or whatever. In the scenario, having the lessons broken down into small chunks would not work for me.
Anyway, those are just my opinions. I am sure other people disagree
Seattle, WA18 May 2016 at 7:10 pm #137251Marilyn MorenoParticipant
Phil, I haven’t had a moment to register and go through the course, however, I do have a comment on the font color on that main page. It’s really hard to read in the gray color. Maybe that can be modified. I will sometimes print screen instructions and the gray doesn’t print well either.
I’m looking forward to this lesson..
Marilyn - Lehigh Valley, Eastern Pennsylvania - USA18 May 2016 at 8:50 pm #137252Peter GeorgeParticipant
I agree with Marilyn. The grey on gray and white on grey are hard to see for an old guy like me. I noticed that as I completed the sections the fonts changed to black on white and were very readable.
I went through the course. I think the smaller chunks of information would be less intimidating to a beginner. I’m not sure if it would work as well for more advanced topics.
"New York is big, but this is Biggar"18 May 2016 at 9:01 pm #137253PeterEParticipant
For me the WWMC Vidoes are hard to beat , however some feedback you might consider, meant constructively and not critically , I am not a teacher nor have experience of teaching
however some thoughts that occurred to me watching the videos all the way through
It states aimed at beginner and in making these points I have made assumption that target audience might be relatively young ,
great bite sized chunks
`young people in Europe probably only understand metric ( my Children (14) think an inch is about 4cm) and can’t visualise in imperial so might be worth consistently quoting both ?
Should there be more explanation of grain direction earlier i.e. in cutting the profile
some things might need fuller explanation/ staying what might be obvious to those with experience but not necessarily a complete beginner e.g. when boring hole was not stated when you turn it round you put the point of bit in hole that has just broken through
Not saying Im right guys just some points that occurred to me19 May 2016 at 9:21 am #137267swessonParticipant
The need for sharp tools should be stressed from the start. A short intro into sharpening is essential. A young person will soon give up if they are following instructions and not getting comparable results due to blunt chisels/spokeshave etc. Overall though very good. The more people that get interested in “real woodworking” the better.19 May 2016 at 12:12 pm #137268David R.Participant
First impression: I like the format, I think it can be very useful in a school or other educational context, especially with kids or beginners. Also if someone is just starting out, this makes it easy to watch and read a lesson, then go to the workshop and do it. This is definitely something I would go through with my kids as a project.
Personally, as a moderately advanced woodworker, I think I would benefit much more from a textual step-by-step list with the relevant hints for normal woodworking masterclasses projects. After watching the video, this would help me to get the process straight without having to review the video multiple times. Perhaps similar to a printable route instruction from a map service with the required steps, measurements and maybe a detail picture or video still. I find myself jotting down the steps for a project before leaving the computer and going to my workbench.
This is no either/or thing. Consider it a feature request for Woodworking Masterclasses and an approval for the LearnWoodworking format.
from Germany19 May 2016 at 5:54 pm #137272Marilyn MorenoParticipant
I just finished watching the course. I think it will work well for beginners. Structure is simple with shorter videos.
Some intermediate projects might do well if aimed at teaching a particular skill or joint. Actual projects, like the tool cabinet and table which are quite involved are best in the more detailed videos, I think.
I know that I’ve learned quite a bit watching the WWMC videos which really bring out skill development. And for me, only by watching them repeatedly.
P.S. Love the work you guys are doing. Much appreciated.
Marilyn - Lehigh Valley, Eastern Pennsylvania - USA19 May 2016 at 7:16 pm #137273David GillParticipant
Do we log in with the same name and password as we do for the current masterclasses
Wigan, Lancs. England :20 May 2016 at 12:32 pm #137312pnj2411Participant
First off, I’m very happy with the WWMC format. However I also like this new format (which worked without any glitches).
Like @davidr I am in the habit of making notes when watching the videos and taking the notes into the workshop. Without this memory aid, I struggle to remember the sequence of work, measurements etc.
So I see the big benefit of the new format as the overview of the entire process that the step-based approach gives, and the way the steps are itemised in the text.
It would be extremely useful to have these notes in an easily printable form – perhaps bound into a ‘project pack’ pdf with the plans and any templates needed.
I think the approach would work well for more complex projects too.
The only slight downside I can come up with is that with the lack of comments, there is less of a ‘community’ feel to the new format.
Manxman living in France20 May 2016 at 12:34 pm #137313Philip AdamsParticipant
The site and therefore the registration is separate from Masterclasses, so you can use different or the same username and password.
Thanks you all for your useful and constructive feedback and comments, keep them coming. We will have a think how we can apply them. It is very useful to us to have you help us improve and fine-tune the course it before we send it out to the masses.
I work alongside Paul to plan and produce the videos for Woodworking Masterclasses20 May 2016 at 12:35 pm #137314pnj2411Participant
Hi @daveg – you need to register separately on the new site.
Manxman living in France20 May 2016 at 8:38 pm #137335David GillParticipant
I also think that there should be the opportunity for adding comments on each of the lesson videos
I like to have a printable drawing with sizes as per the current master class as an aid when in the workshop
Could there not be a way of showing the tick box for going to the next lesson when viewing in full screen or could it not go to the next lesson automatically at the end of each video as it currently does in masterclass now if Paul has a break in video
Wigan, Lancs. England :20 May 2016 at 9:01 pm #137340Thomas MeadeParticipant
I just finished viewing it.
I have to agree with the comments that the font used is a bit hard to read.
For beginners lessons, I think the shorter videos are perfect. They cover the points nicely.
And mark me down as another vote in favour of the idea of including printable notes with the projects (both on that site and here on WWMC). They would be a great help to refresh the memory when doing something.21 May 2016 at 7:44 pm #137353Frank JosephParticipant
I just got finished the lesson I like it its format the short sections. I could see taking the tablet into the shop and working along one section at a time.
Bottom line I think its got potential
In South Jersey the good part of New Jersey, USA.
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