Millers Falls Plane #5 – Tote toe wiggle

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  • #477204
    GfB
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    I bought a MF #5 for $16. Based on this type study (http://oldtoolheaven.com/bench/benchtypes.htm), I believe it’s a type 5 (1966 – 1978). After refurb, it works well, so I’m happy with the purchase.

    The only issue is that the tote toe will move side to side due to the toe not being well fastened. There is a hole in the sole with a metal tube/peg to hold the tote in place. Over time and use, I guess the peg and tote toe have worn a bit. I’m wondering what would be the best method to fix this?

    Even though this is a late model plane, I’d like to stay fairly original.

    – It’d be nice to tap the sole for a new screw, but tap/die sets seem pretty expensive for just this plane. This option also seems to go against keeping it original.
    – I’m not sure if filling and re-drilling the toe hole would work well.

    Other options/opinions?

    #477211
    patchedupdemon
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    Paul’s restoring a hand plane video will show you how to rectify this if it’s just a case of the tote shrinking.
    Basically the threaded rod is too long for the tote now and won’t cinch down right on the tote.
    I’ve followed Paul’s fix and it worked wonderfully,basically just shorten the the threaded rod on one end by a 1’mm,you can file it or saw it off.

    One way to check to see if it is indeed caused by the tote shrinking is to take the tote off,and screw the threaded rod only into the sole and see if it wobbles without the tote in place,if it does then the threads have worn.

    All the best

    #477227
    GfB
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    Paul’s restoring a hand plane video will show you how to rectify this if it’s just a case of the tote shrinking.

    Yeah, this isn’t the case. The tote is tight on the rear screw. It just rotates a little from hand torque and the weight of the tool while working. It is obvious the hole in the toe is worn, which is allowing it to slide on the peg.

    If I can, I’ll post an image for better clarity.

    #477229
    GfB
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    Here’s a pre-refurb image. You can see the metal peg sitting in the sole.

    #477240
    patchedupdemon
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    ahh I see what you mean now,could you plug the hole in the tote with wood,then drill a new hole the right size for a snug fit,maybe

    #477241
    patchedupdemon
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    Or plug the metal peg with wood then screw the front of the tote into that plug

    #477295
    GfB
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    ahh I see what you mean now,could you plug the hole in the tote with wood,then drill a new hole the right size for a snug fit,maybe

    This is what I was moving toward. But even so, the peg is a little loose in the sole also, so that wouldn’t get rid of all the movement. I might have to see about making a bigger peg.

    #477590
    Ed
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    Try a piece of foam shelf liner between the tote and metal sole.

    #477723
    Harvey Kimsey
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    The front hole might still have its threads and you can replace the screw with something similar to the original? If it needs Re-threading, the cast iron is so soft you might be able to it with a steel machine screw.

    #478028
    GfB
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    The front hole might still have its threads and you can replace the screw with something similar to the original? If it needs Re-threading, the cast iron is so soft you might be able to it with a steel machine screw.

    The hole is not threaded at all. This later model plane was built with the peg insert (picture). The hole in the tote does not go all the way through, to receive a screw. Drilling all the way through the tote for a screw is a last resort.

    I’ve cut a 5/16 diameter oak dowel to replace the original peg, and will test fit tonight.

    #478033
    Dave Ring
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    Two valid solutions, starting with the best.

    1. Remove the little tube or roll pin and tap threads in the metal. Plug the hole in the tote and drill an appropriate sized hole straight through for a machine screw.

    2. Plug the hole in the tote and redrill a stopped hole to match the tube.

    I wouldn’t worry too much about keeping it original. It doesn’t have and never will have any significant collector value (due to its rather poor cosmetic condition and late manufacturing date) although it should make a good working tool. Put it into good working order and it should last a lifetime.

    Dave

    #478040
    Dave Ring
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    Cast iron is NOT soft. You would need a proper tap to cut threads in it.

    Dave

    #478656
    GfB
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    The oak dowel worked. The tote is secure.

    I wouldn’t worry too much about keeping it original. It doesn’t have and never will have any significant collector value (due to its rather poor cosmetic condition and late manufacturing date) although it should make a good working tool. Put it into good working order and it should last a lifetime.

    Yeah, I pretty much agree with this assessment. I did repaint the sole because it was missing so much. It’s an ok plane, makes good shavings, but feels a little chintzy, specifically where the tote toe and chip breaker are. Certainly doesn’t have the same feel as my Stanley type 11.

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