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  • #59775
    SueinNC
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    Hi all,
    I am new to woodworking. I bought a 4 1/2 from England and am trying to figure it out. It came to me clean, fairly sharp and an oiled blade. My problem is this: the blade is out too far and takes too deep of a cut (or what ever you call it). I want to retract the blade to flush and then advance it a hair. It has a record chip breaker and I am thinking that it is a couple of mm’s different from a stanley. The chip breaker is about 2 mm back from the cutting edge of the blade and sits well on blade with no gaps. The blade is plenty sharp, it cuts a piece of paper just fine and I have the fingertips to prove it..Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am brand new to this and want to do my shipbuilding grandfather proud.

    #59776
    Eddy Flynn
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    hi sue its difficult to see the reasons for your problems without pics (well it is for me haha)but if you check on Pauls blog he has a number of hints tips to remedy almost all plane issues you can also check youtube foe some great videos on the subject good luck

    Eddy .. Liverpool, Merseyside, UK
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    #59778
    Craig
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    Sue,
    This issue has turned up before.
    https://woodworkingmasterclasses.com/discussions/topic/stanley-plane-insufficient-depth-adjustment-range/
    Photos help, but my guess is that someone has substituted a Record cap iron on your Stanley.
    The hole into which the tab of the “y” yoke fits is at a slightly different length from the leading edge of the cap iron preventing full retraction of the blade.
    The only realistic remedy is to get a Stanley cap iron.
    Since you’re in the US, a “double iron” (cap iron and blade combo) is available here:
    http://servicenet.bostitch.com/Parts/Search?searchedNumber=12-325#
    Quantities are limited, but I have ordered from them in the past and the service was very good.
    Hope this helps,
    Best,
    Craig

    SW Pennsylvania

    #59844
    SueinNC
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    Thank you Edfly and Criag. I am posting some pictures of my plane.
    The first is a side view, the depth adjustment knob is about as far out as it will go. It has J. Rippen imprinted at the base of the handle. I don’t know if this is the owner or maker.
    The second shows a side view with the blade still out about 1/32 of an inch with the adjustment knob as the first picture shows. The third shows the cap removed and the blade in place. The fourth shows the blade and chip breaker put together.
    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Sue

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    #59849
    cpetersen1970
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    Sue, I highly recommend watching Paul’s vids on setting up a plane, as suggested above; but first a question and a few suggestions. Also, none of the following may help; I have no experience with using Record parts in a Stanley plane, so the particulars of the combination of parts from different manufacturers may make it so nothing really makes the plane work properly with the parts you have.

    It is difficult to tell, but in the third photo, it looks like you may have your plane iron installed upside-down. Is it bevel up? If so, it should be bevel down.

    1. Set the chip breaker so that it is *very* close to the edge of your iron.

    2. Try moving the frog forward a bit to effectively close the mouth of the plane. You will need to remove the chipbreaker/iron assembly, loosen the screws underneath, then use the screw behind and under the depth adjustment knob to move the frog. Turning it clockwise will move the frog forward, counterclockwise moves it back. Try adjusting it forward so that the leading edge of the frog is just *barely* behind the trailing edge of the mouth. Then re-tighten the two screws under the chipbreaker/iron to lock the frog in place.

    3. Check to make sure the sole of your plane is flat. If it is badly out of flat that will certainly affect performance.

    If the sole of your plane is good and flat and you have addressed the other issues, then you should be in a good position to try again to get a decent shaving. back the plane iron out so that you get no shaving at all. Gradually advance it, planing a thin board using only one side of the plane until you just begin to get a shaving. Then try the other side of the plane; if you get a similar shaving, your lateral adjustment is fine; if the plane produces shavings of a different thickness from each side, adjust the lateral adjustment until it produces a shaving of equal thickness across its width.

    This vid might help explain some of what i wrote:

    #59867
    Craig
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    Sue:
    The stamped name is a previous owner.
    You have confirmed that indeed you have a Record cap iron installed on a Stanley blade. This will NOT work in the Stanley plane (see my post above). Nor can it be made to work without some serious metalworking.
    An aftermarket replacement cap iron can be obtained from Hock Tools and others in addition to the link I previously listed.
    After you replace the cap iron with the correct one, all the steps that cpetersen1970 listed will get you working in fine order.
    Best,
    Craig

    SW Pennsylvania

    #59929
    SueinNC
    Participant

    Thanks for the help. I am getting a “new to me” chip breaker. It should come on Saturday. Sue

    #59933
    Craig
    Participant

    Sue,
    Prepare to be amazed, 5 minutes after you get it installed you’ll be ankle deep in shavings! 🙂
    Best,
    Craig

    SW Pennsylvania

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