Plane frog surfacing question

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  • #136568
    kaetwo
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    Team,
    I wanted to pose a question that I am struggling to find an answer too. I recently purchased a Stanley No. 6 Type 11 plane and it’s in great shape, with the exception of the frog. I noticed that when I place a plane iron against the frog, that the iron rocks back and forth as if the frog is out of wind. I have removed the frog and confirmed with an accurate straight edge that it is indeed out of wind.

    So my question to you all. Is it critical that the frog be perfectly bedded to the blade?

    I own many other Stanley planes and own many Lie-Nielsen planes and have never ran across this issue.

    I really appreciate all your feedback and help.

    Brett

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  • #136569
    Thomas Angle
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    @tomangle

    I am not sure that if it matter. Of course, I would think that it could not hurt. Is the iron bent by chance? How does does it plane?

    Smithville, TN

    Proverbs 18:13
    13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

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    #136572
    kaetwo
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    @kaetwo

    I have not had a chance to plane with it yet as I was just starting the restoration on it but the plane blade is dead straight (new from Veritas). It may not be a huge deal, but I know that other plane manufactures go to great lengths to mate those surfaces, so I thought I would ask.

    #136573
    Thomas Angle
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    @tomangle

    How much is it off?

    Smithville, TN

    Proverbs 18:13
    13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

    #136575
    kaetwo
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    @kaetwo

    It rocks about 1mm from the top left corner to the bottom right corner. If I tighten up the cap iron good and tight, it stays firmly against the front edge of the frog, but has the gap at the top left. This tells me that the blade maybe under tension?

    #136579
    Matt McGrane
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    @mattmcgrane

    @kaetwo – Brett, I’ve read and seen videos that say the flatness of the frog is very important. If the blade does not bed well, you can get chatter. Further, when you tighten the blade to the frog, you could distort the blade. I recall seeing a plane restoration video by Mitch Peacock and he talks about this. (He’s got 390 videos, so you’ll need to find the right one.) I think I’ve also seen Paul Sellers flatten a frog – at least get a better surface on it than when he found it.

    Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

    Matt, Northern California - Started a blog in 2016: http://tinyshopww.blogspot.com/

    #136580
    kaetwo
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    @kaetwo

    Thanks Matt.

    I found the video from Mitch Peacock on setting up and restoring a frog. A guy could get lost on his channel for weeks 🙂

    I’ll see what he says and see if I can’t get this frog in a good working state and report back.

    Brett

    #136586
    Salko Safic
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    @salko

    You mentioned about using a veritas blade but they are thicker than the standard thinner blades these planes were made for. The thinner blades and chipbreakers are better than these so called new and improved versions but if your adamant in using a thicker blade you will have to file the mouth open to accept them. This is very tricky to do and you can easily screw things up. Frogs are plentiful on the market and they sell as low as $15 on eBay. They’re not hard to fix but in your case that will be I guess a lot of metal to remove which may render it useless. I can’t say this for sure without looking at it myself but I’m just using worst case scenarios.

    Goodluck

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    #136604
    kaetwo
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    @kaetwo

    Well team, I found the culprit. It looks like this plane may have been dropped at some point as I was able to find a small hairline crack about 1/2″ below the top of the upper left hand corner of the frog. This was what caused the gap. I tapped it with a hammer to see how stable it was and it broke right off. So I found a replacement on ebay and am hoping for the best.

    I really appreciate everyone’s help. When I have the plane restored, I’ll be sure to post it up.

    Brett

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