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Stanley Plane Iron Question – Wrong Side Sharpened?

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Welcome! / Forums / General Woodworking Discussions / Tools and Tool Maintenance/Restoration / Stanley Plane Iron Question – Wrong Side Sharpened?

  • This topic has 8 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 4 years, 6 months ago by Dave Ring.
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  • Michael Butterfield
    2 April 2017 at 2:11 pm #310796

    Good morning,

    I have a Stanley type 11 2 3/8″ cutter that came in a transitional 31 plane, (was incorrect for the model). This plane has a bevel sharpened on the same side as the top logo, which would place the bevel up in the standard configuration of a viewable logo when installed.

    I am curious if this iron was sharpened on the wrong side or if it originally went with a bevel up plane?

    • This topic was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by Michael Butterfield.
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    Larry Geib
    2 April 2017 at 10:54 pm #310810

    I think the widest bevel up plane Stanley made was the # 62 and #64, which were 2″ wide.
    And they featured irons that were pinched in at the logo end.

    Stanley bevel up planes

    Interesting that Stanley advertised both planes as rugged cross grain tools, and not as smoothers as modern makers do.

    Is yours a laminated iron? It just may have been stamped on the wrong side, in which case some collector will make you a millionaire if you market it right.

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    Michael Butterfield
    3 April 2017 at 12:14 am #310812

    Thank you for the information Larry. I will include more photos below. By my guess it is forged steel, and I am guessing that someone sharpened the wrong side. At any rate, it has seen some use so we cannot tell if it was originally stamped on the wrong side. It will make a nice backup iron for my 6 and 7, which I believe both use the 2 3/8″ size.

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    Larry Geib
    3 April 2017 at 7:32 am #310817

    I can’t see a sign of lamination on your last photo, but it would probably have to be etched ( vinegar would do it) for the two metals to show.
    So you are probably right.

    If that’s the lever cap that came with the plane, it’s not original to a transition plane. They were stippled and japanned black.

    That lever cap with the 1867 patent date came with a type 1 or early type 2 Bailey.

    (1867 to 1870-ish)

    That iron should fit in a 4 1/2, 5 1/2, 6 , and 7 bailey and the equivalent bedrocks.

    Transition v. Metallic lever cap

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    Larry Geib
    3 April 2017 at 7:52 am #310820

    I may have “solved” the identification issue.

    Stanley did make a block plane that was 2 3/8″ wide in the number 11 and number 11 1/2 flooring planes.

    They used no cap iron, except a vestigial one that allowed the lever adjustments to work. And they were bevel up.

    Number 11 1/2

    The type 11 1/2 was made from 1909-1923, which would include the V logo period.

    So I don’t think anybody made a sharpening mistake. They just repurposed an iron from a flooring plane.

    Number 11 1/2 flooring plane

    I actually saw a big beefy flooring mechanic using one of these once, amid a sea of sweat and beer. The legal office we were in didn’t allow power tools on the floor, so he leveled the floor by hand.

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    Larry Geib
    3 April 2017 at 8:08 am #310825

    I may have “solved” the identification issue.
    Stanley did make a block plane that was 2 3/8″ wide in the number 11 and number 11 1/2 flooring planes.
    They used no cap iron, except a vestigial one that allowed the lever adjustments to work. And they were bevel up.
    Number 11 1/2
    The type 11 1/2 was made from 1909-1923, which would include the V logo period.
    So I don’t think anybody made a sharpening mistake. They just repurposed an iron from a flooring plane.

    I actually saw a big beefy flooring mechanic using one of these once, amid a sea of sweat and beer. The legal office we were in didn’t allow power tools on the floor, so he leveled the floor by hand.

    Flooring plane

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    Michael Butterfield
    3 April 2017 at 4:47 pm #310842

    Thank you Larry, it sounds like you have solved the mystery.

    The transitional 31 does have a handsome black lever cap. That is the chip-breaker in the photo.

    I plan on keeping the iron on hand as a backup. It is obviously not original to the plane, which is in poor condition anyway. For the pittance I paid I have an extra cutting iron for my jointer and another wall decoration for the shop.

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    YrHenSaer
    25 September 2018 at 11:47 am #552198

    Come to this one a bit late as it’s over a year old…………… missed it the first time around.

    One reason some users may have provided to bevel the ‘wrong’ side of a bevel-down plane iron is to increase its effective ‘bed-angle’ or pitch which may be fixed at a lower angle on the original tool. This will allow the user to deal with difficult grain, prone to tear-out.

    For example, a standard No: 4 or 4-1/2 is bedded at about 45 degrees (Common Pitch). A 60 degree angle is known as Half-Pitch so that adding a small 15 degree back-bevel to a spare blade means that you can exchange the blade to deal with the odd problem-grain plank, minimising tear-out….

    For example, some modern makers (naming no names, but you know whom) offer an alternative frog assembly for their smoothing planes to increase the pitch to about 55 degrees or Middle Pitch.

    … an old trick used by lots of cabinet-makers. Cheaper than buying a new tool for occasional use.

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    Dave Ring
    25 September 2018 at 6:33 pm #552307

    I’ve run across a fair number of planes that had heavy pitting on the logo side of the iron (especially close to the edge) while the other side was clean and shiny. In a situation like this it could be easier and less wasteful of steel to grind a new bevel on the “wrong” side than to grind the original bevel back to unpitted steel.

    Dave

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