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9 February 2018 at 1:56 am #465143
I have an 044 with a snapped tension screw for the lever cap. Is there a quick source for a replacement? Does anyone know if any other screws from other models are the same
9 February 2018 at 9:47 am #465332The Record 043 and 044 lever caps are the same – there’s one on Ebay UK at the moment for a reasonable price, but the three USA lever cap listings are almost as much as buying a whole plane.
9 February 2018 at 11:30 am #465517I know. Those types of prices encourage people to canabalise and part out old tools. I won’t do it myself; but it makes no sense to spend 60$ on a screw when I can find a complete tool for that price steal the screw and sell the parts for profit, all while ruining a working tool.
Come to this one a bit late…….
…..however, the ubiquitous British thread series when these planes were made is the standard Whitworth.In this case, the screw that tensions the cap is 3/16 inch Whitworth. It may be easier to get a Single Whitworth machine screw until such time as a suitable Record replacement comes up.
Alternatively, a friend with a machine lathe is a friend indeed in these circumstances!12 February 2018 at 12:02 pm #469957A kind fellow on eBay uk sold me a cap and screw for a very fair price. I only need the screw, so if anyone is in need of an affordable cap let me know before you spend $60 on one
“Alls Well that Ends Well”, as some famous feller once said.
I’ve never understood why Record (and the later 043 / 044 look-alikes by Rapier, Marples et al) opted for the loose blade clamp that was often detatched and lost. I have all mine on a short cord; it would have been a simple idea to have pivoted the whole thing on a swivel-post arrangement.
However, too late now; these planes have been out of production for 50 – odd years or so.31 May 2020 at 12:24 pm #663458I need a lever cap plus screw for a 044 record, can anyone help me out here ?
Thanks in advance
Tim
2 June 2020 at 8:18 am #663784[postquote quote=469895]
American UNC ( equivalent of imperial) 10-24 tpi screw is a near perfect fit.
The difference is about .0025 , within the tolerance limits of either thread specification
UNC = 10-24 = .190”
3/16 whitworth .1875”Same pitch, The 5° difference in pitch angle is unnoticeable in this thread size. I’m not even sure the makers paid any attention to the difference, either..
I don’t know enough about actual Imperial to know if 10-24 I available in the U.K.I have a Record 043 with 3 thumb screws I installed on a purchase I made very cheaply because it had none.
10-24 is a standard size in the USA. It’s in every hardware store in America. You should be able to get yourself a knurled or thumbscrew for about 75¢.
Picture below with a 10-24 thumb screw i normally have for the depth stop in the lever cap of my 043.. note also the UNC thumb screws on the sliding fence.
When I hold the whitworth and unc parts up to each other, I sure can’t tell the difference.10-24 is also a common drop in replacement on many Stanley planes also – the lever cap and dept stop screws on a 78, for instance
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You must be logged in to view attached files.19 January 2021 at 10:34 pm #697640I realize this is from 2 years ago, but I just got a record 43 and the cap has a decent chip out of it. Do you still have the spare cap? Mine appears to still be functional but I plan to try it out a little more with the 1/8 inch cutter to see if it produces any issues.
20 January 2021 at 8:19 am #697684If you don’t find a cap, I wouldn’t be too hard to make your own with a hacksaw, some 7 mm or 9/32” mild steel or brass and some files In an afternoon.
Here is a drawing a fellow who called himself Bugbear on another forum posted years ago.
http://www.oocities.org/plybench/record.html#044Just print out the drawing so the OL is 33.5 mm , paste it to your steel and file away. He included a small outline drawing to scale to.
To re-use your existing thumbscrew drill and tap it to 3/16 -24 whitworth or10-24 UNC, depending on which side of the pond you are on.
Either size will work. The differences are within tolerance limits.Be sure to drill the hole off center or the cap screw won’t work with the smallest irons.
And don’t forget to file the recesses to deflect chips and to allow you to position small irons.You’ll have the only one on the block if you use brass.
Edit: the link in the post doesn’t seem to work in all browsers.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.20 January 2021 at 5:41 pm #697740The overall length should actually be a bit over 43mm, though I think several sizes will work as long as the notch fits.
20 January 2021 at 7:07 pm #697746Thanks for the info! Making one out of brass sounds pretty cool. That’s a great option that I can basically see if I start having issues with my current one and can’t find a replacement. I haven’t done much metalwork and lack a drill press, which makes the drilling and tapping of the hole a little intimidating but that could be a fun project in the future. I now know where to look to get the spec too. Thanks for your help!!
20 January 2021 at 9:55 pm #697766Make sure you post up if you make one. While a drill press is nice, it wouldn’t be necessary for this project. It’s not like you are aligning holes or anything.
And you can improve accuracy greatly by using a starter bit followed by a long shank bit as a pilot bit in a hand held drill. And you can clamp the piece into a corner and use that as a visual guide similar to Paul’s mortising aids.
You can also use relatively inexpensive drilling guides like this one
https://www.rockler.com/big-gator-v-drill-guide-standard?country=US&sid=V91040&promo=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=PL&gclid=CjwKCAiAxp-ABhALEiwAXm6IyZUVUH1HUV-mzOQlRLzjYAg6TGyEKe_kaB5HuXCXJx4pFKpGfmkRxRoC2TUQAvD_BwEThere are several manufactures that sell them at different price points. I found they are particularly useful for accurately centering holes in round stock.
I got one when I saw YouTube star Uri Tuchman using one to make his wonderful creations by hand in in wood and metal.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.22 January 2021 at 11:30 pm #698128Thanks again! I have a milescraft version for the drill guide but the bushings still have a little more slop than I would like. Combining it with a careful hand though usually produces passable results.
The tool dealer did have an extra and is sending it along at no charge as he was unaware of the chipped lever cap. Making a brass one could still be fun and may be something I pursue in the future when I don’t have 5 other projects I want to get going and no time to do it. After playing around with the record 43 though, I can say it is likely my favorite tool currently and is just so satisfying to use, so customizing it in the future to really make it my own may still be of interest. I would equate it to making a new tote for a favorite bench plane (something I also hope to do in the future!)
Again thanks for all the help and advice. As a woodworker just getting into the craft, it is exciting to be learning and exploring, and it is also very enjoyable interacting with other people who love the craft!
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