record 050 plough plane question
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29 April 2019 at 4:21 pm #557440
I’m Allen and I’m new to the forum. Very grateful for what Paul has done for the craft.
I recently bought a record 050 off ebay which came from the U.K. It seems like the rods are sticky, possibly out off square causing the function to be difficult and dangerous.
Was wondering if anyone has any advice on this?thanks
29 April 2019 at 8:24 pm #557467Allen,
First off, welcome! I, too, have a Record 050. For clarification are the rods to which you are referring the fence guide rods? Are they parallel with each other but out of square with the skates on the plane or are they out of parallel with each other AND out of square with the skates?PR
30 April 2019 at 4:28 am #557505Peter one of the rods is out of square with the body. It was dropped maybe?
But from end to end the rods are 1/8” out of parallel with each other. I’m not to comfortable about trying to bend it back.30 April 2019 at 6:10 am #557511Allen,
Well that does make a problem, doesn’t it? When you unscrew the rods from the body does the end of the crooked rod make a circle? If so it means that the rod is bad. If it stays still when unscrewed then the casting of the plane body is bad. There are rods available on ebay if need be, BUT if the rods still accept the fence maybe the fence itself might keep the rods far enough apart. Without seeing the rods I won’t say that’s a good idea, but it might be possible. Put the fence back on and see the angles of the rods compared to the body and check the distance from to the body along the length of the fence.
As an aside, try placing a straight edge along the rods to see if they are bent or curved. If not I would look to the threads in the body of the plane.Allen,
Welcome and sorry to hear about a doubtful Record 050.In my estimation this was an excellent tool, the best in its class, however it did go through several iterations during its production life which may affect the final product quality; for example, post-war restrictions meant that some metals were unobtainable, Nickel etc. It’s probably more than 50 years old….. went out of production in the 60s if I recall.
An easy way to check the straightness of the rods is to detach both, then roll them on a dead-flat surface – piece of glass for example. They should roll without any sideway-movement – any twist will be immediately visible. There should be NONE!
If they are acceptable in this respect, look to the castings at the main body and the fence. Here there should be no play sideways at all, but the rods should slide through unimpeded, end to end. Sometimes the rods can be compromised by surface corrosion.
If there is any problems with either the rods, alignment or play in the castings then I’m afraid that the plane is of no use, because however well it is assembled or adjusts, the fence and body must be exactly parallel at all times along the length of their travel. It will not work well.
This is where your return guarantee may be useful.
30 April 2019 at 11:49 am #557558Another thing to look for is corrosion inside the holes the rods fit in. Sometimes the nickel will delaminate and make things sticky and wonky.rust under the nickel will form a little bulge.
you can clean out the inside of the holes with a chain saw file or similar. That will remove rust, loose nickel and any burrs or nicks. They probably make files in a size close to the 50 rods. Get the biggest that will go in the hole. If the screws that hold the rods to the plane body are on top, you may be able to firmly squeeze the rods together or apart and than tighten the screws.
As a last resort you can slightly file ONE hole a little oblong so it doesn’t bind. That should only take a very few strokes, so check after each stroke. Pick the hole you think is out of whack..
don’t file two rod holes. You’ll never keep them square if you do.it’s pretty rare that a plane that’s out of whack can’t be fettled to work. The castings on Stanley planes are almost all cast iron, not malleable iron. They tend to break, not bend. If yours isn’t cracked, you should be able to fix it with a little sleuthing.
- This reply was modified 4 years, 11 months ago by Larry Geib.
30 April 2019 at 3:10 pm #557589This pic is an attempt to show the problem, you can see the body out of square with the rod.
oh well, now I have to learn how to post a pic on the forum
- This reply was modified 4 years, 11 months ago by Allen Schell.
- This reply was modified 4 years, 11 months ago by Allen Schell.
30 April 2019 at 3:19 pm #557592blob:https://www.icloud.com/761d56d9-05e2-4c46-a521-d468bfac15e6
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You must be logged in to view attached files.1 May 2019 at 1:56 am #557636Allen,
A picture’s worth a thousand words isn’t it? You have one of the “newer” models (mine still has the booklet with it, copyrighted 1944!). Anyway, I completely agree with Larry above. A little love from a file should help align the rod to the other one. In my non-metallurgical opinion, this looks like a casting issue when they made the plane body. Not beyond hope, however! Good luck with that filing! Welcome again to the forums!PR
1 May 2019 at 2:07 am #557639Yep a little filing is probably the ticket. The thought of trying to bend that body just does not work.
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