shims in a type 4 no 4 stanley plane
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17 May 2018 at 6:40 pm #547897
Hello all,
I’ve just bought a toolbox at an auction and it had a very old looking made in USA number 4 Stanley plane in. I’ve taken it apart to identify the type and I’ve noticed there are shims (possibly made of cardboard but hard to tell now) between the leading edge of the iron and the back of the mouth and also between the frog and the frog receiver. I’ve never heard of this, does anybody know if this is original or what might have happened to cause the old owner to need to do this?
Thanks!
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You must be logged in to view attached files.17 May 2018 at 7:18 pm #547901The plane you have is a hermaphodite. The bed casting is frrom 1874-1902 and the frog with the notch is from after 1902.
In 1902 the design changed, with a rib on the bed casting and a matching notch on the frog that kept the frog centered on the bed.
The shims are probably there because the two types weren’t machined the same way.
My guess is a previous owner broke one or the other casting and assembled your plane from parts he had.
Below are the four main types of castings for #4 beds. Yours appears to be the second from the left, with a frog that fit the third or fourth from the left casting.
The picture is from Patrick Leach’s blood and gore plane website.
http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan1.htm
Frogs are available separately on the usual bidding sites.
<edit> are you sure it’s Stanley/Bailey? The bed looks a little off.
Maybe it’s an early bedrock casting, or even a third party clone.- This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by Larry Geib.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by Larry Geib.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by Larry Geib.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.17 May 2018 at 7:48 pm #547907Ah ha! I see, that’s a shame. Maybe I’ll keep an eye out for a type 4 frog to match the bed.
Many Thanks!
This is an odd one.
Those side walls look awfully thick and squared off for a Bailey and what’s with the two screws between the holes for the frog holddown screws? And why does it look like theres a screw through the toe of the tote? That’s not normal for a No.4.
What markings are cast into the plane’s body? “Bailey”? “No.4”? “Made in U.S.A.”?
Based on what I can see, I think that you may have an offbrand body with a Stanley Bailey frog.
Dave
17 May 2018 at 11:14 pm #547916Yeah those reasons are why amended the post. A full view of the bed casting would help.
But it’s for sure the frog and bed aren’t a match.
But early planes didn’t necessarily say Bailey or Stanley. I have an 1892-1902 plane that just says N° 4, and a N° 7 with that as the only markings. The irons have the 1892 Stanley patent, though, and they have the “S” casting marks that are true to that era.
Both of them have MUCH thinner castings.
Also, the type studies don’t have all the variations. The thirty years before 1911 were a big experimental time.
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