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Which replacement screw for Stanley #66 beading plane?

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Welcome! / Forums / General Woodworking Discussions / Tools and Tool Maintenance/Restoration / Which replacement screw for Stanley #66 beading plane?

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  • This topic has 9 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 5 years, 7 months ago by David R..
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  • David R.
    31 July 2017 at 2:05 pm #314170

    Hello fellow woodworkers,

    I got me a Stanley #66 beading plane, but the tightening screw (for the blades, not the fence, as seen e.g. here: http://www.livius.eu/wp-content/uploads/IMG_0698.jpg) was broken and I removed it. Now I need a replacement, but I’m not familiar with UK/US screw sizes, which I assume are imperial. The screw diameter is about 4,45mm or 0,175″. I tried a few screws from other tools, but some which seem to fit in diameter don’t have the same thread geometry. I’d appreciate if someone could tell me what kind of screw that is and whether that is something still being made or a special type of screw. Thanks.

    Best regards,
    David

    from Germany

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    Larry Geib
    31 July 2017 at 6:40 pm #314200

    Stanley screw sizes are a proprietary threading based on the British Whitworth before it became British Standard Whitworth.

    It is NOT United Thread Standard, imperial, or metric. Thread pitch, angle, and bolt diameter are different.

    I’m not sure exactly which size you need, but you have three options

    1) drill out the hole and retap with the thread of your choosing. If you can get something antique, it will look better. I sometimes go to a scrap yard that sells old fasteners for $1 a pound. This is a solution if you have lots of time on your hands and don’t care if the tool becomes non-standard.

    2) try and find a machinist who has old threading dies that are adjustable in imperial sizes. Modern ones are a fixed size.
    While the threads aren’t UTS, they are standard pitches on different diameter stock, so instead of something like 1/4″-20tpi, the thread might be #10-20tpi or something. There are sites on the net that give the standard Stanley sizes. The difference in pitch angle (55 degree instead of 60 degree) can be ignored with adjustable dies. Whitworth dies are also available. Try somebody who works on 50’s and 60’s era British sports cars or Triumph motorcycles. I used to have some of this stuff from my high school days, but they scattered to the winds.

    Here’s the real solution:

    3) in the US, there are a couple ebay vendors who specialize in plane parts and are quite professional. One I go to from time to time is nhplaneparts ( http://stores.ebay.com/New-Hampshire-Plane-Parts ) I did a quick check and he does have some #66 fences, but I didn’t see the thumbscrew. Thumbscrews from other Stanley tools (Stanley #45?) might work. He would know. The best is to write and ask. He doesn’t list everything he has. You will get the correct part with this method and increase the value of your tool.

    I have no connection with this vendor other than as a customer and I don’t know if he ships to Europe.<edit- ships worldwide> In the dozen or so times I’ve used him he came through. Once, he even got me a iron adjuster lever with the correct patent dates on it.

    There are other vendors as well.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by Larry Geib.
    • This reply was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by Larry Geib.
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    Larry Geib
    31 July 2017 at 7:24 pm #314203

    More than you want t know about Stanley threads:

    Stanley PDF.

    Note h threads changed over time, so research your tool.

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    David R.
    31 July 2017 at 7:59 pm #314204

    Thanks, Larry!

    I contacted the ebay seller, though he doesn’t have anything listed atm. According to the pdf, a 0.175″-24 seems to be the screw I need. So there’s a chance I can find someone who can make one or has one, thanks to this specification. Thanks again.

    – David

    from Germany

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    Larry Geib
    31 July 2017 at 10:07 pm #314205

    Hmm,

    I checked again and he has both a shouldered and an unshouldered thumbscrew for the 66.

    The unshouldered one which I think is what you are looking for is here:

    NHPP

    Anyway, good luck with your search.

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    David R.
    31 July 2017 at 11:03 pm #314207

    Thanks again, the direct link works, I think it’s an ebay issue that I can’t see the list of items for sale, maybe because it’s not marked as internationally shipping. With shipping, I’m not sure it’s worth the effort, though, a complete one is not that hard to get.

    – David

    from Germany

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    Larry Geib
    31 July 2017 at 11:09 pm #314208

    Yeah, I figured shipping might kill you. It’s only $3 for me.

    To thoroughly beat this to death, Lie Nielsen makes a replica of the #66 and the fences and cutters will fit your beader. I don’t know about the thumb screw. Here’s a guy who has gone through this.
    66 beader

    And StJamestoolworks makes cutters and would probably make you a screw. I have bought blades from them at reasonable prices. They aren’t kind to the internet, though. It’s best to call, and you will wait to fit their schedule.

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    Dave Ring
    1 August 2017 at 6:34 pm #314232

    I just took a look at one and, as nearly as I can make out, it’s 10-28. It’s also brass as is the holddown itself. Stanley used the same size screw for the No.52 spokeshave lever cap (I checked.)and probably other tools as well.

    Dave

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    Larry Geib
    2 August 2017 at 3:35 am #314249

    Well, I don’t have a 66 beader, but if it is 10-28, in might just as well be 3/16″-28, which is only .0025″ smaller in diameter (.06mm).
    That’s within bolt shaft tolerance limits.

    3/16-28 is a common thumbscrew for things like electronic and airplane instrument panel. I usually see them as the knurled kind, though, not the traditional thumbscrew.

    Standard coarse and fine threading for #10 bolts is 24tpi or 32tpi.

    Now you see why the ASTM is so much fun.

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    David R.
    3 August 2017 at 12:16 pm #314275

    I just took a look at one and, as nearly as I can make out, it’s 10-28. It’s also brass as is the holddown itself. Stanley used the same size screw for the No.52 spokeshave lever cap (I checked.)and probably other tools as well.[/quote]

    That did the trick! I had a “FOREIGN” marked 51 spokeshave whose lever cap screw fit well. I don’t think the one I got is brass, though, looks like steel to me and the screw was definitely hardened steel.

    Thanks for all your information and help!

    – David

    from Germany

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