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  • George Bridgeman
    17 December 2012 at 4:49 pm #5006

    Hi all,

    I’m wondering if anyone could give some pointers on how to make a sliding box lid like the ones here: http://paulsellers.com/2012/12/12886/

    I imagine it involves using a plough plane to make the groove in the back and sides, then a bench plane to make the ‘raised panel’ lid? Any other ideas?

    George.

    Anonymous
    17 December 2012 at 5:07 pm #5009

    I dont know how fast you need to make it George, but that is the next project after christmas

    Anonymous
    17 December 2012 at 5:27 pm #5017

    Hi George,

    I’d opt to use the plough plane and #04 method my friend and tend to plough the groove in my stock prior to cutting it to size before dovetailing. 😉

    George Bridgeman
    17 December 2012 at 5:30 pm #5018

    Thanks Ken. There’s no rush for it. They’d make good presents but if they’re the next project then they’ll make good presents next year!

    George.

    Dave
    17 December 2012 at 6:18 pm #5022

    I thought they were this weeks project…

    Brent Ingvardsen
    17 December 2012 at 7:31 pm #5027

    To plough the groove before cutting to length, wouldn’t your groove bee seen in the end grain of the pins or tails ?

    Brent

    Anonymous
    17 December 2012 at 7:44 pm #5028

    Hi Brent,

    Pins and tails are planned around the groove/channel position.

    George Bridgeman
    17 December 2012 at 9:56 pm #5047

    Am I right in saying that the groove is only made in the two sides and it’s ploughed above the tail so it’s hidden by the pin? If the back also had a groove in them it’d show on the end grain of the pins.

    George.

    Dave
    17 December 2012 at 10:04 pm #5048

    I just made a largish box with a grooved bottom,  I just cut some plugs and glue them in the hole, beware that you need to insert the plug with the same grain orientation as the tails tho!  Which of course I failed to realize until I went to chisel them flat,  there is some funny growth patterns on my dovetails now 🙂

    Joseph Sellers
    17 December 2012 at 10:59 pm #5050

    Hi @george,

    I happen to have insider information 😉 Paul used a plough plane to create the groove (in just the two sides, not the end) then he sawed a rebate (to create the thin edge to the lid so that it can fit the groove) and raised the panel for the lid with a No. 4 plane.

     

    Hope this helps.

    Anonymous
    17 December 2012 at 11:04 pm #5051

    You could do a stopped groove, but It’s a little more work with hand tools. Drill to depth and square up with a chisel, then finnish the groove with a plough plane. I’m not keen on the plugging method my self. But what ever works for you 😉

    Anonymous
    17 December 2012 at 11:08 pm #5053

    Thanks Joseph

    Dave
    17 December 2012 at 11:14 pm #5058

    I tried the stopped groove on another box I made,  it is a pain to work with a plough plane.  This is one area I’d like to see Paul address in the future.  There has got to be a simple method for this, craftsman of old had a simple method to deal with this I am sure. Did they only groove two sides?

    juryaan
    17 December 2012 at 11:33 pm #5060

    Why not use the same method Paul used for making the stopped dado ,

    remove most of the waist with the chissel and refine the groove with the routerplane.

    Anonymous
    17 December 2012 at 11:36 pm #5061

    A nice little video on making a stopped groove by hand ………….. http://www.popularwoodworking.com/video/stopped_grooves_video

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