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Larry Geib.
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Hi all
Picked this saw up a couple years ago for next to nothing, I liked the design for some reason. It’s approx 5 PPI, 24” blade length heel to toe. No medallion or etchings unfortunately!
Can anyone shed some light on the saw type and maybe manufacturer?Cheers
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You must be logged in to view attached files.That looks to me like a tree pruning / felling saw, given the teeth pattern.
Does it have split nuts or screw nuts?
The handle looks a little too crude to be 19th century to me, so I’d guess at around 1930s – 1950s?
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Darren.
14 April 2020 at 4:59 am #657063I tried posting earlier, but apparently the aetherwebs ate it.
The handle shape looks a lot like a pretty rare Montague Woodrow saw patented in 1888 by a guy named Bundy. The medallion might have been pinched as a collector piece, although I have seen them with the “flying Eagle” warranted Superior medallion Disston sold as replacements.
More info here https://toolsforworkingwood.com/store/blog/979
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You must be logged in to view attached files.Larry that looks very similar indeed! Even the curved backside of the blade. Angle of the gullet is different however. It’s difficult to find much information on those Montague Woodrough saws, they looked great though. The teeth and blade are in overall great condition, its a shame there is no etch. Tenjin – they are screw nuts but I replaced the originals because they were absolutely shot. Picked those replacements up from Thomas Flinn & Co, they are great quality.
Hi,
The info on the Bundy / Montague Woodrough saw is fascinating, I’d never heard of that before.
I’ve done a little digging, and while this is just a “google” view I’m not sure this saw is one of them.
I’ve attached some photos.
The two of saws are of Bundy pattern saws. The tooth pattern is not the same as yours.
The other photo is a sample of a crosscut tooth pattern for aggressive cutting of lumber. I think Ivan Kawaler’s suggestion above might be closer to the saw you have, checking the tooth pattern, as it seems to be the same, including the less aggressive lead-in.
Hope that helps. This is all fascinating. 😀
Darren.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.15 April 2020 at 1:02 am #657208[postquote quote=657076][/postquote]
Montague Woodrough was a teeny company compared to the big boys like Disston and Atkins. When their patent ran out, it was pretty much their death knell. And that’s why you won’t see a lot on them.
Warren Bundy the inventor, on the other hand, is all over the place with patents. He was granted three patent on sept 04, 1888 for basically the same idea of using the two cutters and a raker with a large gullet. It applied to handsaws, circular saws, and tree felling saws. One was for application on a two man Buck saw for tree felling. The first two on the day differed mainly in the angle of the large gullet. I think he did this to prevent people from tweaking his design to get around the patents. The assignees are Bundy, Woodrough the saw maker, and Otto Troost. Hence the BMT name for the saw.
It isn’t unreasonable to assume various rake angles for the large gullet. The back saws show a less agresssive rake, and we just don’t have a catalogue to know for sure.
Your saw looks to me like the 388,821 patent drawing.We do know the saw handle profile was a favorite of Woodrough. He went on to form a saw company with a guy named McFarlan, where an equally rare “Panther” handled saw was produced. There are probably more fakes of this saw than real ones. Here is one carved on what sure looks like Disstons patented D12 handle grip pattern. Note the detail of the top of the saw, which is essentially the BMT profile.
And I don’t think it is the much later Bowdon saw from Sheffield England. The handle doesn’t look any more like your saw that the Brooklyn tool Works saw Gramercy markets. The BMT was never a farmer’s saw. Not with the work that went into the handle.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.15 April 2020 at 1:36 am #657219Here is another BMT which sold for $85 on eBay in 2018. Kind of fuzzy, but the rake doesn’t look aggressive.
https://picclick.com/UNIQUE-BUNDY-PATENT-COMBINATION-HAND-SAW-–-Montague-382493278161.html
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