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Tagged: Benches, Nicholson, workbench

  • This topic has 11 replies, 9 voices, and was last updated 9 years, 2 months ago by STEVE MASSIE.
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  • J_SAMa
    14 December 2013 at 10:44 pm #23891

    So I am aware of and have read the thread on increasing bench height. But here’s something weird…

    Apparently, benches are historically 30″ in height, “Benches are of various heights, to accomodate the height of the workman, but the medium is about two feet eight inches (Nicholson 88).”

    http://books.google.nl/books?id=_XYOAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Now my best theory on this is that because they only used wooden planes then, whose handles were about 2″ to 2 1/2″ above the sole, much higher than a Bailey’s (which are practically right above the sole). Therefore they only had lower benches. But, that only makes a 2″ difference, still way lower than our 38″ benches.

    Maybe someone who’s researched deeper into this can provide an insight?

    Go to page 88, there’s a whole chapter on workbenches. It also says benches of that period were 10′ to 12′ long :o… Twice the length of my workbench… Also the workbench being described had a top 1 1/2″ to 2″ thick.

    Now all that seems to be different what we have today… Paul Seller’s design is much higher, two thirds the length, with a top twice as thick.

    And now I wonder, when and how did all this craze for THICK benchtops start?

    Sam

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    Greg Merritt
    14 December 2013 at 11:34 pm #23894

    Just my opinion….
    Book was written in 1845. Average height of a man in 1845 was 65″.
    The book recommends 2′-8″ for bench height.
    Therefore, 32″ + 2″(for plane) + 4-5″(average height today is 70″) = 38-39″ bench height for today.

    I think there are a few reasons for shorter bench lengths. Only one person works at a bench today. In the past there would have been an apprentice. Available work space has become much smaller as well. I think most of us would build a 10-12′ bench if we had the space. What I see more of on here are people building there benches shorter than 5′ to fit there work space.

    Bench tops thickness varied even in 1845. The French still were building there benches out of thick slabs, i.e. Roubo’. The book covers an American-English design. We have thicker tops today mostly due to the quality of wood available. In 1845 the wood was most likely much tighter grained. Resulting in heavier and stiffer lumber than we have now. So we build thicker to compensate for the quality of available lumber.

    http://hillbillydaiku.com

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    Ken
    14 December 2013 at 11:40 pm #23895

    Well, it don’t get much better than that. 😉

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    Greg Merritt
    14 December 2013 at 11:48 pm #23896

    Forgot to mention…in 1845 it was a young man’s game. If I was 20 something years old the height of my bench would not be that critical. I’m welllll past that. So bench height quickly becomes a factor for my back. I’ll bet the average age on here is well past 40, so we are very susceptible to back strain. It sucks to get old.

    http://hillbillydaiku.com

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    Serhiy D’yachyshyn
    15 December 2013 at 4:33 am #23900

    Good explanation Greg,I just want to add my 2cents. I’m 6’2″ and build my bench with knuckles rule 34″ after one year I decided raise it up about 4″(just add simple blocks under legs) now its 38″, during the planing different back mussels working now, but what a difference when you work with joinery, specially sawing, my hands start working as train parts and I don’t need to build Moxon vise.I don’t have to lean closer to the bench when I chopping, paring is better too.I think you will spend more time for joinery not for dimension of lumber. Another thing I have to get use to different height for sharpening, my hands 4″up know but this is not big problem.Again my 2 cents I have to rebuild my bench but not know.
    Cheers

    Toronto, Canada

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    J_SAMa
    15 December 2013 at 11:21 am #23905
    Greg Merritt wrote:

    Just my opinion….<br>
    Book was written in 1845. Average height of a man in 1845 was 65″.<br>
    The book recommends 2′-8″ for bench height.<br>
    Therefore, 32″ + 2″(for plane) + 4-5″(average height today is 70″) = 38-39″ bench height for today.

    I think there are a few reasons for shorter bench lengths. Only one person works at a bench today. In the past there would have been an apprentice. Available work space has become much smaller as well. I think most of us would build a 10-12′ bench if we had the space. What I see more of on here are people building there benches shorter than 5′ to fit there work space.

    Bench tops thickness varied even in 1845. The French still were building there benches out of thick slabs, i.e. Roubo’. The book covers an American-English design. We have thicker tops today mostly due to the quality of wood available. In 1845 the wood was most likely much tighter grained. Resulting in heavier and stiffer lumber than we have now. So we build thicker to compensate for the quality of available lumber.

    Right… People were shorter then…
    But is there an explanation as to why wood was denser then? And was it really twice as dense as it is now (since the thickness was half of what it is now).

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    dborn
    15 December 2013 at 11:42 am #23907

    I’m pretty sure they built benches, back then, with the wood that they had available to them. If we could get slabs of wood at a reasonable price we would be making our benches out slabs, rather than laminating 2×4’s. We use construction grade lumber because it’s cheap and will last us a throughout our woodworking lifetime.

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    Greg Merritt
    15 December 2013 at 2:25 pm #23914

    Sam…
    Was the wood they were using twice as dense? I don’t know. The wood they were using was from old growth trees though. That is why they were able to easily obtain 24″ wide boards on a regular basis. Most construction lumber today is from fast growing younger tress.

    The weight also plays a factor. Our benches are shorter, so we need to increase the mass as well.

    For most of us 2×4 lumber is readily available. A 2-1/2″ thick top might be all we need, but why go to all the effort to take the inch off when we need the mass anyway.

    You can build a very nice bench with 1-1/2″ thick top but you will have to add more support to the under structure in order to compensate for the stiffness of you top.

    http://hillbillydaiku.com

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    Sandy
    22 December 2013 at 4:00 am #24346

    Greg, It doesn’t suck to get old. It sucks to have back pain, but dying young would really suck! I’ll take the pain with my years and build my bench higher… 🙂

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    Albert Einstein

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    Philip Adams
    3 January 2014 at 2:14 pm #25120

    One other possible reason for the lower bench hight back then was the fact that they where doing a lot more of the thicknessing and planing down from rough stock by hand, and if you are planing down all day, it is useful to be able to get over the top of the wood, especially for wide boards.

    I’m not saying it’s not possible with a higher bench, I’ve flattened quite a few cupped or hollowed wide boards on my 42″ high bench (I’m 6’4″). It works fine, you just have to manoeuvre the board so you can get at it.

    The other thing I’ve noticed is that, if you feel like it’s starting to be hard work and you can’t put enough pressure on from the top, it’s probably time to sharpen your plane (-: Paul always says that a sharp plane blade should almost pull itself down onto the wood.

    I work alongside Paul to plan and produce the videos for Woodworking Masterclasses

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    str8tedge
    3 January 2014 at 5:27 pm #25131

    Every very old antique bench I have encountered is right at or near 30″ in height. With short legs and heavy structure, even though the top might only be 2″ thick.

    People were definitely shorter 100 years ago and would have generally been no more than my present height of 5’8″. My bench is 37″ which I find very comfortable for my height, but if (as Philip remarked) one was to be planing and hogging boards all day, even I would prefer the 30″ bench height given my small stature.

    Low heavy center of gravity benches don’t tip over or slide around easily either with rough work like heavy planing. Most of the benches I have looked at were also made of hard wood (and of course old growth timber as Greg mentioned) which contributed to the weight of the bench.
    My bench is pine built from Paul’s model which I like very much but this summer I will build a more heavy bench out of some very large sycamore (plane tree)slabs I am drying. Given my height I will opt for around 32″ bench height and use this as my heavy planing, carving and utility table. The tool handle should fit the hand of the user and I think the same goes for bench height.

    Joe B.

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    STEVE MASSIE
    3 January 2014 at 6:18 pm #25135

    I have and used for years bench’s that were 30 – 32″ in height. I have a bad back and had surgery as well and I don’t mind telling you working at that height crunched over kill’s me in a short time. I also used an older Drawing Table for my Blue Prints and that was killer also, I never learned auto cad and did everything by hand and still do.

    Now since I have built Paul’s bench at the 38 1/2″ height I can work all day or until my feet tell me to sit without many issues. I am so glad I built this bench in lieu of the Nicholson which I was going to build.

    Steve

    Steve Massie, I live in the great State of Florida, US

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