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I have always loved sharpening stuff, 10 years ago I went to japan and bought my first waterstone a white Bester 1200 grit for my knives. Know that I am in Woodworking I bought a Bester 4000 Grit and A coarse 320 DMT diamond for the grinding work. I always finish with stropping.
Everything was fine but for two SERIOUS problems, 1) Too much time wasted flattening the waterstones, and 2) I have a heavy hand for the 4k grit and always end gouging it.
I decided to change my plan for the following and in that order: DMT Coarse for grinding-Bester 1200-DMT extra fine-Stropping.
The thing is that I feel that the Bester 1200 leaves a finer finish than the extra fine, so I dont know whether to go first with the extra fine and then with the 1200 waterstone.
In the chart I am attaching, the difference between the 1200 and DMT superfine is minimal So I think I need to get rid of one for the process and end up buying the DMT fine I guess. I will really hate to get rid of the bester 1200, I really like how it sharpens…
Also, Does anyone have an experience with the DMT extra extra fine (8000 grit)? I heard somewhere that in diamonds is difficult to go for a finer grit…
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You must be logged in to view attached files.14 January 2014 at 5:21 pm #25930I use the DMT Course Medium and Extra fine 8″ x 3″ Diamond plates using Paul’s method. I have never had water stones so I can not compare, but I can say that I find Paul’s method produces sharp edges fast with little preparation
14 January 2014 at 6:25 pm #25934Interesting, I started out with oil stones and still use them for certain applications. I also did the “scary sharp” thing as well ( sandpaper ) but I didn’t care for that, paper doesn’t last that long and it gets pretty expensive real quick.
I now use the Sigma power Water stones 200 grit, 1000, 6000, and 8000 then finish with a leather strop charged with the green crayon. I flatten my stones after the end of the day and use the Atoma 400 diamond plate, it only takes a few seconds because I maintain my stones.
Having said that, water stones are a little messy but fortunately for me I have a running water and a sink in my shop. I do want to try Paul’s method with the Ezee – Lap diamond plates and this way when I travel to my Son’s home in Va. i don’t have to worry about the messy water stones. Paul seems to get good results so I feel it is worth a try.
Steve
PS: As far as water stones go I do like the Sigma Power very much.
I bought diamond plate for that very reason. Flattening the stones periodically is extra work for me. I use Paul’s method and it produces a very nice edge. And the extra expense for the plates was worth it to me… I use the course, fine, extra fine followed by the leather strop. 🙂
I actually just finished a related project and posted some pictures here… maybe this will help with some ideas for using waterstones.
15 January 2014 at 9:21 am #25990Hi
Well with water stones it’s not that easy. You have to pay attention for many things , not only grit, such as matrix and bonding .I don’t know wich charts you using but Japanse have different system. Don’t buy diamond 8000 waist of the money if you doing stroping after 4000. I get 4000 Imanishi stone(same a Bester) get for free stone was broken. Try to do only strope movement if you digging in the stone. Take to consideration EZE Lap from amazon.
CheersThanks everybody for chipping in… I Guess I should engage in the Sellers sharpening system fully and buy the fine diamond stone.
Ultimately, the problem is myself due to the fact that I love to sharpen and hone my skills in it. THats why I love the waterstones, they sharpen like a charm.
I love the 4000 grit Bester/Imanishi, but it certainly takes full concentration because it is so soft, and you need to barely move the blade and edge to get a very fine polish. Just one gouge in this stone keeps me flattening it to getting rid of the gouge for 20 minutes with the diamond stone. so yes it is a pain.
I started sharpening my new gouge today, I will post some findings in my a new thread.
Cheers.
MH
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Also, Does anyone have an experience with the DMT extra extra fine (8000 grit)? I heard somewhere that in diamonds is difficult to go for a finer grit…
[/quote]My sharpening set up includes this stone. I actually bought this EEF stone as my first stone lol! What happened was that Amazon had dropped their price rather drastically on this stone when I just barely started to shop around for my set up. Normally they’re 80 USD I think, and they dropped it to 52 USD for a few days (not sure how much it is now). That, and I was really curious about how well it worked. So I got it 🙂
So my set up includes DMT’s extra coarse (220?), fine (600), extra fine (1200), EE fine (8000), and a leather strop with Lee Valley’s green compound. Overkill perhaps, but still it’s fun to go through all those grits.
Long story short, the EEF stone is nice to have but it is definitely not necessary. Not even for kitchen knives and scissors which I learned actually work a little better (mostly) with a slightly tooth-ey edge. I use it because I have it, but if I didn’t have it I think the world would still turn 🙂
Its surface is super duper smooth. If you close your eyes you’d be hard-pressed to tell which side has the diamonds, because they feel practically the same. It does cut though, and it does produce swarf. When it was brand new I could even turn a burr on a slightly dull chisel, but not anymore. Still cuts though.
21 January 2014 at 2:41 am #26296I have the diamond plate you are referring to. With harder steel compositions, I’ve had better results with the extra fine DMT plate then to the strop with the green compound from LV. So the process I use with A2 steel is Atoma 140>400>1200> DMT extra fine> strop. This process I find works for me. I have had success going to the strop from the 1200 Atoma.
I use narural Arkansaw oil stones. I f I have to grind a new edgem I use 120 grit emery cloth on a granite plate, To sharpen a new edge I start with the soft Arkansawm then the hard Arkansaw then hone with a Black Arkansaw and then either hone on a translucent Arkansaw or strop. THe bench stones at 3×8 inches are a little expensivem but one on them was my gradfathers and from the little wear, I expect my grandsons will be still using them when I am long gone.
They give me the best edge on my A2 steel chisels, after trying just about everything else. I also use the Black Arkansaw to touch up the edge on my strait razor every few months, Now I just need to finish up a box to hold all of my pocket stones together,
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