Which glue?
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6 June 2014 at 10:29 pm #57969
I suppose we could call it a tool but which type of glue is best yellow or white. They say that white glue is not for outdoor use but titebond II yellow is also not for outdoors. White dries clear which is great but they say its difficult to sand out, yellow doesn’t dry clear but it is easily sanded out.
Liquid hide glue is transparent and very easily chips off once dry leaving no visible glue line but it takes up to 48hrs to cure which isn’t ideal at all. Gorilla glue looks just like liquid hide glue but water must be added to the mating surface and then it forms a foam yuk no way.
So which glue is better yellow or white? I personally would prefer a glue that is transparent just like liquid hide glue but with a normal 12hr drying time, is there such a glue on the market.
Does anyone know?
6 June 2014 at 10:59 pm #57970I quite like PVA which I use most can stain wood.
Just lately on last couple of projects used tite bond II I used for it’s exterior properties description below:
Titebond II aliphatic resin passes the strict American ANSI Type 2 specifications for water resistance. It works well on all exterior woodworking projects including outdoor furniture, birdhouses, planters and picnic tables. Titebond II Premium provides a strong initial tack, fast setting speed, superior strength and excellent sandability. It is also FDA approved for indirect food contact (cutting boards and laminate trim). Titebond II is easy to use, non-toxic, weatherproof and cleans up with water whilst wet.Titebond II Premium wood glue has been independently tested for lead, cadmium and other metals under ASTM F963 and 16 CFR 1303 (total lead content). These are the testing methods specified for toy safety under the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. It has also reviewed by an independent toxicologist and conforms to ASTM D4236
for art and craft materials.
Still getting use to tite bond II just feels a bit runnier than some PVA glues .
An outstanding project I have will involve scotch/hide glue you heat up. As I have some veneer work todo that will be new territory for me.7 June 2014 at 12:22 pm #57978Salko, There is no right answer or perfect glue. All the ones you mention have there place and all have there advantages and drawbacks.
Yellow glue sets up fast. Could be good or bad if it is a complicated glue up.
White glue gives a little more open time and dries clear but is limited to indoor projects.
Titebond 3 and the Gorilla style glues are great for exterior projects along with some epoxies.
For any complicated glue-up’s and most of my normal furniture glueing jobs, I use a liquid hide glue. Long open time, easy clean up with cold water the next day. Although the big drawback to that is you need to keep the glue warm so it flows out and needs to be clamped for 12 to 24 hrs.
You will end using all these types so it is good to have them in your arsenal. Best to buy small bottles….
8 June 2014 at 8:59 am #57995Salko,
to make it even more complicated there are “outdoor/high humidity” white glues on the market: type 1 PVA glues. They do require a catalyst but are waterproof once dry. Type 2 PVA glues are just water resistant.
Most of the time, for indoor pieces, I use hot hide glue or hot bone glue. I tend to rub joints to save on clamping time, as I only have a few clamps. I don’t even buy PVA glues anymore as I always end up throwing the pots more than half full.
9 June 2014 at 8:57 pm #58168Sorry for the late response I’ve had issues logging in due to the sites upgrade lol at one stage I thought I was booted from the site.
I am very much interesteed in hide glue but it just seems messy to be honest and liquid hide glue seemed to be the answer. I looked at Old Brown Glue which seems to be the same working properties as Titebond’s Liquid Hide Glue. So I tried it but it took 48 hours to cure. At the time of glue up it was the ending of summer, because I live in a tropical environment humidity levels are high. I believe in winter it should work fine plus I think the bottle was coming close to the end of it’s shelf life. That’s the other issue you just don’t know how long these bottles have been sitting around on their shelves. Anyhow I do want to use it but I need a hide glue that sets a little quicker regardless summer or winter.
Is there such a glue?
10 June 2014 at 11:37 am #58191Old Brown Glue is a small operation and they make the stuff fresh and get it right out fast. If you get a larger bottle, transfer some to a small bottle for daily use and store the remainder in the fridg or freezer.
Iv never had a problem with this setting up in 12 to 24 hours. The other thing you can try is blowing air with a fan over the “glue-up”. This speeds dry time especially in a humid environment.
11 June 2014 at 3:11 am #58225Cheers Bret never thought about the fan. I am a fan of hide glue because of it’s transparency and long open time.
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