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  • #619294

    Mark68
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    Hey all

    I need to drill a pilot hole for a 100mm length screw. The drill bit has to be 3.5mm in diameter but I can’t seem to find a drill bit (auger bit?) long enough. I’ve tried using the screw without a pilot hole but there’s no way that works.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks all.

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    #619300

    Mark68
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    Thinking about it, is there an applicable screw for the job of fastening the apron of my workbench to the legs? I want to make sure the fix is strong and permanent. I would use a nut and bolt but the screw doesn’t exit any timber so there’s no way to screw the nut on.

    I was looking at the following two options (neither of which need a pilot hole, so that’s a bonus):

    6.7mm diameter x 100mm length at £12.99

    http://www.screwfix.com/p/timbascrew-flange-timber-screws-gold-6-7-x-100mm-50-pack/3374j

    6.3mm diameter x 100mm length at £19.99 (smaller diameter but more expensive?)

    http://www.screwfix.com/p/timberfix-flange-structural-timber-screw-brown-6-3-x-100mm-50-pack/23059

    Would the above screws be sufficient or should I use something else?

    Thanks all.

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    #619350

    Sven-Olof Jansson
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    Would bench bolts or threaded nuts perhaps be suitable alternatives?

    The attached link is for a Youtube video that some 7 minutes into it shows drilling for bench bolts

    Sven-Olof Jansson
    London, UK; Cambridge, MA

    #619358

    Mark68
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    Hi Sven

    Thanks for the video. I did watch most of it but the technique he uses is way above my skill level. I’ve seen the technique used on other furniture but I wouldn’t be comfortable using it. What a really nice looking bench though!

    I was hoping to just screw some strong screws through the apron and into the legs. Paul mentions doing this as an alternative to coach bolts.

    See here at 27m 17s:

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    #619406

    Thomas Brown
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    If you use a twist bit in an electric drill or hand drill, just insert the drill into the chuck enough to hold it firmly, you don’t have to push it all the way in. That might give you enough length on the bit to drill far enough into the wood. May be worth a try.

    #619494

    Mark68
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    I’m afraid to say it still wouldn’t be long enough

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    #619495

    Larry Geib
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    SPAX makes self drilling high strength lag bolt in a hex or star drive washer head style and they are available at your local orange box store or hardware stores. They will go in with a bp driver or a hand brace with the proper adapter.

    https://www.homedepot.com/b/Hardware-Fasteners-Screws-Self-Drilling-Screws/SPAX/N-5yc1vZc2d6Z1bj

    They also carry long shank bits – Often
    called aircraft bits in small diameters if you want to use a pilot hole.

    If you lack said colored store there is always amazon.

    #619496

    Mark68
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    Hi Larry

    Thanks for the links.

    Are they the same as the two possible candidates I posted above? They look to be:

    6.7mm diameter x 100mm length at £12.99

    http://www.screwfix.com/p/timbascrew-flange-timber-screws-gold-6-7-x-100mm-50-pack/3374j

    6.3mm diameter x 100mm length at £19.99 (smaller diameter but more expensive?)

    http://www.screwfix.com/p/timberfix-flange-structural-timber-screw-brown-6-3-x-100mm-50-pack/23059

    The screws you posted, are thicker (if 3/8 = 9.5mm – which would be even better).

    I have attached a pic of the problem I have. You’ll have to forgive my poor drawing skills but the point I am trying to get across is there is not enough apron for the coach bolt to go through. As indicated by the red circle, some of the coach bolt’s thread (more than what is displayed) would miss the bottom of the apron. I made my benchtop an inch or so thicker, and this is what I think has caused the issue.

    Apron

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    #619514

    Mark68
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    After a bit more research, it seems these Coach Screws by Timco, are ideal:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIMCO-SOLO-COACH-SCREW-HEX-FLANGE-HEAD-ZINC-YELLOW-SLEEPER-SCREW-TURBO-COACH-SCR/163890425650?hash=item2628a16f32:m:mGM2dvrfuUP7dFe2lSZ4UXA&var=463486842126

    Apron

    The above configuration should hold it all steady. The bench won’t be disassembled or anything.

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    #619551

    Benoît Van Noten
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    What about making your apron a little wider by laminating an extra (1″ or 2″ wide) board to it?

    #619582

    Mark68
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    I was thinking of doing that but I’m not sure how strong the bond would be.

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    #619636

    Sven-Olof Jansson
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    Well Mark, I’m at best an acceptably mediocre woodworker, but with use of a simple guide I managed to satisfactorily add bench bolts to my work bench. Some photos attached.

    Sven-Olof Jansson
    London, UK; Cambridge, MA

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    #619806

    Mark68
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    What is that technique called? I’ll research it to see if I think I can manage it.

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    #619811

    Benoît Van Noten
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    Isn’t your apron already made by laminating 3 boards?
    A good glue joint is supposed to be stronger than wood.

    #619812

    Mark68
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    If that is the case, then I shall laminate an extension.

    Thanks all for the feedback

    EDIT: On second thoughts, it means having to cut out a mortise hole to requirements so I would much rather try another technique.

    Perhaps using bolts in Sven’s suggestion is the way to go.

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