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Welcome! / Forums / General Woodworking Discussions / Tools and Tool Maintenance/Restoration / 55 degree frog

  • This topic has 4 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 2 years, 3 months ago by Peter Capon.
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  • Mark68
    11 October 2020 at 6:52 pm #681827

    I’m looking for a 55-degree frog for my spare no.4 stanley smoothing plane but all I can find are the Lie Nielsen ones and they are so expensive.

    Are they available?

    "Sawdust? I think you'll find that's man-glitter."

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    Larry Geib
    11 October 2020 at 10:57 pm #681859

    Not only is a lie Nielsen high angle frog expensive, but it won’t fit a Stanley or Record product, according to them.

    https://www.lie-nielsen.com.au/index.php?route=product/product&path=39_93_106&product_id=1347

    Even if it did, LN patterned their planes on the Bedrock line, which is completely different than the Bailey line of planes. ( there are at least 4 different Bailey mounting systems)
    I have seen conjecture that a LN frog could fit a Bedrock with some machining to the seat and pin holes, but I haven’t read that anyone has actually done it.

    The short answer is no, there is no available high angle frogs for your Stanley Bailey, though I once read a rumor that they were custom orders. Even if there are, they are collector unicorns and you can’t afford one or you would have that LN bronze smoother and wouldn’t be posting. 😉

    The only Stanley path I know of is to used a bevel up plane and hone to a steeper angle or put a small back bevel on a Stanley iron. It doesn’t take much.

    Or go to a cabinet or card scraper. They fix everything.

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by Larry Geib.
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    Mark68
    11 October 2020 at 11:32 pm #681862

    Thanks Larry.

    I quite like the idea of using a card scraper. I’ve had a lot of advice today so hopefully when I put it into practice tomorrow it will solve a lot of my issues. It seems technique is more important than anything else.

    "Sawdust? I think you'll find that's man-glitter."

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    Barry B
    13 October 2020 at 5:16 pm #682116

    In the documentation for the veritas #5 1/4(browsing on line), they claim that, assuming a 45deg bed, adding a 15deg back bevel to the blade creates an effective 60deg cutting angle, so….. it follows that adding a 10deg back bevel would give a 55deg cutting angle.
    i have not tried this, but it seems to be a valid hypothesis.

    regards

    Barry

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    Peter Capon
    28 October 2020 at 9:57 pm #684107

    Do you have a Low Angle Jack if so you could get a high angle blade or put a secondary 23 degree bevel on it or if you can live with a block plane you can get a Luban from Rutlands on special for £49.99 that comes in at 45 degrees but if you put a 10 degree secondary bevel on it you will have your 55 degrees.

    Pete

    https://www.rutlands.com/sp+hand-tools-hand-planes-qiangsheng-luban-hand-planes-qiangsheng-luban-standard-angle-block-hand-plane-rutlands+dk1178

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