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    Julio T.
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    Hello all.

    These are a pair of Stanley block planes I’ve found in a second-hand shop. They looked in good shape to me and I’ve bought them.
    I’ve done a search in Internet to know what models they are, but I must be rather clumsy, ‘cos I haven’t been able to find it out. Perhaps you can help me in this. It’s just curiosity, but I’d like to know what models they are and when they were made.

    Thank you very much in advance.

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    Julio T.
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    Erik Tigchelaar
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    #554417
    Larry Geib
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    Not quite enough info, but if the newer one has an 1 1/2” wide cutter and it is low angle, it looks a lot like a late model (after 1985-ish) Brit made 60 1/2. The knob is a bit of a tell. It should weigh in at around 677gms, give or take a dozen. The lateral adjuster is a late, and in my opinion, unfortunate addition. It doesn’t work all that well and adds weight.

    Attached is a photo of my Brit made 60 1/2.
    I tried to get the same angle

    If it is high angle, it could be a 9 1/2.

    The other is more problematic. Though the cap says Stanley, the side cheeks on the tool look more like something Sargent or Union would have made. Sargent particularly had an odd relationship with Stanley, selling and making both their own and Stanley planes in their catalogue. But he time they stopped making planes in the 60’s, there were dozens of cross breeds.

    If it is a Stanley, my guess would be a #61 (1 1/2” or 1 3/8” blade width). They made ‘em for a lot of years and with many variations, not all documented.

    Good luck.

    Knowing whether it has an adjustable mouth, the iron width, and the bed angle would narrow the search.

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    Alan
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    On the first one; Does it say STANLEY on the heel?

    The second I’d say is definitely a modern Stanley 9 1/2, as Larry suspected. the height at the rear is too great for the low-angle 60 1/2. I have both, and compared it with mine.

    Its a pity they stopped embossing the sides with the Model No. On the Sweetheart range, its a non-permanent ink nowadays. Laser etching would have been more in-keeping.

    As a side note, if you fettle the roughly-milled sides & sole of your 9 1/2, to remove the grey rough milling, you’ll quickly get a smooth finish that’s a pleasure to look at, and handle.

    #554430
    Larry Geib
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    Here’s why I said the older plane might have Sargent pedigree in it.

    Here is a Sargent plane with the same angled side cheek.

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    Larry Geib
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    Here’s why I said the older plane might have Sargent pedigree in it.

    Here is a Sargent plane with the same angled side cheek.

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    Alan
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    Its strange. Almost as though someone has tried to deliberately disguise it. Maybe someone dropped it and chipped a wing, then filed it to the profile of a Sargent?

    Perhaps they’d always longed for a Sargent, but could only get the Stanley, so they customised it a little?

    “Isn’t that MY Stanley block-plane you’re using?”
    “Nope. Its my new Sargent block-plane!”

    #554454
    Ralph Fink
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    Craftsman planes have model numbers marked on the cutter. There might be a model number on the cutter.

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    #554470
    Julio T.
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    Thank you very much you all for answering.

    Yes, the “Stanley” word is on the heel of the first plane. And the legend “England” and “CF” are below the blade, inside the plane’s body. The blade, with the Stanley logo, is 1 9/16 inches width, and the lever on the lever cap is of a type I haven’t seen in any other plane. The sides of the plane doesn’t look like reshaped, at least they don’t look like reshaped to me. Curves are too equal, too perfect to be a reshaping work.

    The lever on the lever cap is specially strange, just a brass piece kept in place by a small piece of very thin steel hold by an small screw only.

    I’m restoring this plane now. The edge of the iron is fairly unsquared, so I suppose that this plane has been used a lot. It will be interesting to see if it works well.

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    Julio T.
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    Well, I’ve restored this “weird Stanley” completely. It works very well, after a lot of flattening and a little work in blade and lever cap. The cutting edge was so out of square and over-beveled that I had have to make new ones, but it works perfectly now.

    Thank you all.

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