Axminster Rider No 80 Cabinet Scraper
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The other week I bought an Axminster Rider No 80 Cabinet Scraper.
http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-rider-no-80-scraper-plane-506574
It was suggested I also buy a veritas blade for it because the Axminster one is too hard a steel to sharpen. I’ve ordered the blade but it’s currently out of stock so they’ll post it to me when they get a new batch in.
I’ve given the scraper with the original blade a test run, and it’s next to useless. I’ve researched it, watched Paul set it up and use it, but mine just doesn’t seem to be scraping anything. I’ve not attempted sharpening the blade due to its 45 degree angle and me not having made a sharpening jig for it yet. Still though, I’d have expected a brand new blade to have some effect.
I’ve tried it on smooth wood surfaces, rough surfaces, pushed, pulled the thing, and even turned the blade around just in case. I’d have more success if I scraped with my iron ruler. Could I be doing something wrong? I don’t think I am.
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If you are going to replace the blade soon anyway, you may want to try either filing that 45 degree with a diamond file, to start a hook (wont be as good as one that has been formed with a burnisher, but may give you something. Alternatively, you could follow the process used in the wooden spokeshave build, and try to remove the hardening and then reapply it. It may be that you will end up with a softer material than the original.
Colin, Czech Rep.
“Could I be doing something wrong? I don’t think I am.”
By your admission you haven’t sharpened or turned the edge correctly. Most irons don’t come ready to use, so it is no surprise it doesn’t work.
Bite the bullet. Make the jig. Sharpen, then turn the edge per Paul’s instructions.I don’t know who told you the iron is too hard. A lie Nielsen iron is A2 steel and twice as hard. A Veritas PMV11 will be harder as well.
It was Paul who said the steel is too hard and that you should replace with a veritas one.
https://paulsellers.com/2018/01/axminsters-80-cabinet-scraper-uh-oh/
“No instructions on the scraper set up, wrong cutting blade bevel angle, single cutting edge not two?”
“The laminated two-steel type blade has steel that’s too hard to sharpen with a file and because one is harder than the other the bevel cannot be sharpened with just a file making it expensive to sharpen using diamond plates.”
“The cutting bevel is ground at the standard 25-degree angle…the bevel on #80 scrapers is always ground and honed at as near to 45”
“I did not understand the hardened body steel and the laminated edge. It was totally unnecessary and renders the simplicity of conventional sharpening to be a very difficult task being possible only with power equipment or diamonds.”
I realise now Paul didn’t say the blade can’t be sharpened, but it would be very tough to do and would need power tools – which I don’t own.
What’s mad is that I read the above article about two weeks ago and completely forgot that the blade would be nigh on impossible to use out of the box. My memory is shot. I now remember heeding the advice to buy a veritas blade and use that instead.
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Mark,
The steel of the blade of the Axminster Rider cabinet scraper appears to be the same as in that brand’s bench planes; i.e. HRC-63.
The blade of my Rider #4 gets a lot of sharpening, as I use it for planing plywood edges. The blade sharpens easily on diamond stones, wet stones, and a Tormek. Sadly it’s quite prone to fracture.
Why not take Larry’s advice and give the scraper blade a go?
Sven-Olof Jansson
London, UK; Boston, MA
I’m in no rush to use the blade right now, so I’ll probably just wait for the veritas blade to arrive. Either way I am still going to have to make that jig.
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