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Final planing on assembled big drawer

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Welcome! / Forums / General Woodworking Discussions / Woodworking Methods and Techniques / Final planing on assembled big drawer

  • This topic has 12 replies, 7 voices, and was last updated 1 year, 5 months ago by BenoĂ®t Van Noten.
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  • Roberto Fischer
    7 October 2021 at 1:01 am #731633

    I am making 5 drawers for a pantry (built into an existing closet under stairs) and they are about 60x60cm (2x2ft) with varying heights, the largest one being 35cm (>1ft). It all goes fine until I’ve glued and then need to do the final fitting and some dovetail trimming.

    I can’t figure out how to properly secure the drawer in place for planing. None of them fit in the vise positioned along the bench, only perpendicularly, and because the bottom is enclosed on all sides, I can’t remove it. I end up with the far end totally unsupported and the side opposite to the vise also fairly unsupported.

    Any ideas?

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    deanbecker
    7 October 2021 at 1:24 am #731637

    Clamp it to the bench. Put a stop on the bench and set your plane real shallow

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    Roberto Fischer
    7 October 2021 at 1:51 am #731640

    I thought of that but couldn’t figure out how I’d plane so high, almost my height. I guess I’d have to step on a stool?

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    Barry B
    7 October 2021 at 2:17 am #731643

    hi Roberto

    put a box (chair, stack of wood…..whatever works) under it while you clamp it in the vise, perpendicular to the bench

    regards

    Barry

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    Colin Scowen
    7 October 2021 at 10:31 am #731678

    I have always found that some L Shape parts that you can clamp in the vise are very useful. For this particular situation, you could clamp an L piece in your vise. Screw together a step piece from some scrap, and put it in front of the bench. Grab another piece of scrap to use as a brace for the far end. Like in the picture attached. If you box clever with the step piece dimensions, you can build just one, and rotate it when you want to switch from planing the long sides to planing the short sides. You can double stick some old rag, or cork or anything else to the l piece, brace and step to keep them from damaging your drawers. If you want to have some support in the middle of the drawer (not quite sure why you would if you are only working on the joints) take two pieces of wood, both of which would be smaller than the gap you want to support, and screw them together to match the gap you want to support.

    Colin, Czech Rep.

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    Benoît Van Noten
    7 October 2021 at 2:46 pm #731694

    You might try this (the drawer/carcass has no bottom to make it understandable):

    drawer-clamping
    If the opening of the vise does not allow clamping of the drawer, use two supporting boards and clamp the drawer to them.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by BenoĂ®t Van Noten.
    • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by BenoĂ®t Van Noten.
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    Roberto Fischer
    9 October 2021 at 8:57 pm #731985

    Good suggestions, thank you all.

    This last one, I’ve seen before. How could I have forgotten? That will be the first one I’ll try. Not having the vise flush with the apron is a disadvantage in this case, although an advantage in others, but I should be able to remedy with a piece as thick as my jaw liner as a shim.

    Thanks again.

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    Roberto Fischer
    9 October 2021 at 9:01 pm #731986

    (not that I could use a vise in this case, but it would be helpful for smaller drawers I’ve done before)

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    Ed
    10 October 2021 at 12:25 am #732002

    That method works even if the vise isn’t flush. Not a problem. The drawer is just held between the two jaws and the clamped piece acts just as in the drawing. An alternative is to use a bucket, stool, or other improvised jack instead of the wooden clamped pieces. This is helpful when there is a bottom and in some other cases.

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    Benoît Van Noten
    10 October 2021 at 1:27 pm #732054

    The supporting board doesn’t need to traverse. So it is still usable with a bottom. Just put the open side of the drawer facing the workbench.

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    Ed
    10 October 2021 at 3:04 pm #732059

    “Just put the open side of the drawer facing the workbench.”

    That definitely works. If the grain is against you, you won’t be able to flip around, so just pull the plane instead or develop your feel for planing with your off hand. I’m really, really glad I’ve been developing the ability to plane with either hand! I’m a lefty. Some tools, especially old molding planes, have made me develop my right hand. It feels odd at first, but it is so very much worth it. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to swing a hammer with my right hand, but a lot of other stuff works just fine. Anyway, if there is a bottom and you do and you use Mr. Van Noten’s excellent advise, just be ready to come at your far side with a pull, your off hand, or cross hip.

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    Edmund
    12 October 2021 at 4:12 pm #732309
    Roberto Fischer wrote:

    I thought of that but couldn’t figure out how I’d plane so high, almost my height. I guess I’d have to step on a stool?

    Standing on a stool is sometimes required…see attached pic

    But for something that isn’t 6 feet tall, I agree with the above suggestion of just putting some support underneath it so that it’s at a comfortable height, and then having it abut against your workbench (or other immovable object), and you should be able to plane comfortably

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    Benoît Van Noten
    15 October 2021 at 9:03 am #732652

    To Edmund
    I once was standing on a deck while the the top of a door to be planed was resting on the ground a few feet below (to plane the bottom of the door).

    You might have noted that Paul Sellers does not necessarily works vertically or horizontally.
    See for example how he planes the ends of the work-top and aprons of the workbench. (see introducing picture of the video “workbench: episode 1” [the solid wood one])

    You could also have been standing/kneeling down on your bench.

    See 2nd picture in “will you apprentice with me?” dated 4 August 2015; although I would not have done this for that box.
    And John’s piece doesn’t seem to be clamped except maybe with his foot and the piece against the wall. (it probably works better with a very sharp plane).

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