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Tagged: kitchen shelf heavy french cleats

  • This topic has 2 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 3 years, 9 months ago by Ed.
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  • GfB
    21 June 2019 at 3:15 pm #583166

    The wife is commissioning me to replace a failing kitchen cabinet with a double shelf unit. I haven’t measured yet, but I estimate the cabinet to be around 5-6 feet wide. Since the cabinets are pine, I will probably build the shelf unit from pine. The shelf will hold various items; appliances, dishes, etc., so I imagine it will be supporting a lot of weight.

    Are french cleats an option? Should I consider oak for the cleats, rather than pine? Or should I go a different route all together?

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    Kurt Schultz
    21 June 2019 at 4:32 pm #583182

    Yes, a pine French cleat will hold quite well. As long as the cleat is well secured to a couple of studs in the wall. Also, the cabinet cleat will need to be thought out in attachment. I believe Paul even has a video on French cleats. Coincidently, me finding Paul’s video through a Google search on French cleats is how I got into hand tool woodworking.
    To give you some perspective of the weight French cleats can handle, see the images below. Mechanics tool box (200lbs). This is on double cleats. Plane cabinet (125lbs) and a bench lathe stand. In fact, my entire garage is a french cleat system. Many shelves have quite heavy items on them.
    Good luck with your cabinet build!

    Rhode Island

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    Ed
    21 June 2019 at 6:51 pm #583229

    This is going to be an odd answer. I’m not a carpenter or contractor, but I worked as an electricians assistant for a bit where I learned right off the bat that violating code, statute, etc., violating manufacturers instructions, or modifying a listed item, generally leaves you with unmitigated liability for all time and, most likely, you will not have protection from your insurance. I came to view the electric code as a list of all the ways humans have killed themselves with electricity, often when they least expected it and thought they were doing things properly.

    So, if this cabinet will persist through a sale, and probably even if not, my inclination is to say to just do it like everyone else and just like other standard cabinets. So, I wonder if this ought to be more than one cabinet and wonder if the French cleat is really needed. Why can’t standard methods be used? What’s the advantage and is it worth the risk?

    If a cabinet comes off the wall, especially with china or glass in it, the danger is considerable. I was in the room when a single shelf failed in a cabinet, all the china showered down onto the Corian countertop, shattered, and then rained down onto the floor. I dropped a single plate once and had to go to the hospital, so I can’t imagine what might have happened if a person had been standing at the counter. Anyway, I don’t think this is a time to be inventive. Sorry to be a wet blanket.

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