Problems with a Stanley no4

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  • #59916
    reubenlp
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    Hi all,

    I’m hoping someone could shed some light on a few problems I’m having with my plane…

    When I set the chip breaker so that there is a small amount (1/32 to 1/16) of the iron protruding, the screw that holds them together gets jammed in the frog before the iron actually comes through the mouth.

    Another issue I’ve got is that the lateral adjustment lever is getting caught on the iron itself and so only has a very small adjustment threshold. If I loosen the lever cap I can get the lateral adjuster to work to its full range but the iron becomes a bit wobbly (I can nudge it left and right with my hand)

    Has anyone come across these before? I can’t seem to find anything on the web and I have very limited knowledge…

    Reuben

    #59918
    Craig
    Participant

    rubenip,
    Photos will help.
    How long is the blade?
    Craig

    SW Pennsylvania

    #59941
    Frank Joseph
    Participant

    Its hard to say with out seeing it . But I belive the blade is short. If you can compare it to another or post the meserments and see the replys you get. I have a new #4 blade messure the overall blade and from the bottom of the slot to the edegr. I will go out to my shop and get the messurements and post them tonight.

    In South Jersey the good part of New Jersey, USA.

    #59943
    Frank Joseph
    Participant

    Hello again
    The blade is 71/2 long from the slot to the cutting edege its 2 1/8 . That’s a brand new Stanly blade .

    In South Jersey the good part of New Jersey, USA.

    #59947
    BrianJ
    Participant

    Hello, if your blade is assembled properly(bevel down) and if you have left even an 1/8″ exposed, the screw should nest into the recess in the frog. As far as the adjustment lever, again there is only a small slot to engage the lever, so perhaps your frog needs to be seated further back or front. There are other you tube videos on plane assembly as well that you could use to check yourself, as since you say you have limited knowledge. Planes are wonderful tools when tuned properly, good luck.
    Brian

    Ontario, Canada

    #59948
    reubenlp
    Participant

    Thanks all for the feedback:



    @Frank
    – The blade is 7 3/8 long and the from the slot to the edge is 2 1/16, so its not much shorter than yours. Having said that, it might be enough to cause the problems…



    @Brian
    – The screw does nest inside the recess of the from but as you adjust the depth, the scew hits the end of the recess. The lever is sitting in the slot but when moved left or right hits the edges of the slot and so I can’t adjust it to the full range.

    The adjustment lever has got me puzzled! I took a closer look today and noticed that the iron is quite a bit out of flat, could this effect it?

    I’ve also taken some photos – not sure how much help they will be!

    #59954
    BrianJ
    Participant

    is the stud(screw) that the lever cap engages on too tight or too loose? The stub on the lateral adjustment is where the cutting iron takes its position from when it engages with the plane iron cap (actually it’s quite interesting to NOT have the iron and chip breaker assembled and watch how far the depth adjuster knob moves the stub back and forth and see the impact of how little movement it takes to make relatively large changes) Try backing out your depth adjustment knob to about midway on the threads and try and re-load the iron and chip breaker, Sorry for long-ish replies but in my mind this can only be a set up issue and I’m sure the solution is not far. Apologies if still unclear.

    Ontario, Canada

    #59956
    Craig
    Participant

    rubenip,
    Please post photos taken of the whole plane at 45* from the front, a straight side shot and 45* from the rear.
    Something just isn’t right here and I think an overall shot or three will help.
    Best,
    Craig

    SW Pennsylvania

    #59958
    reubenlp
    Participant

    Thanks Brian – If I loosen the screw anymore I can move the iron with my hand. Reloading the iron had no effect.

    Craig – here are the pictures you wanted

    Thanks everyone!

    #59962
    Frank Joseph
    Participant

    Ok the easey answer was not it. Your blade is ok.
    .? Try removing the frog clean out the bed and base. Then reset it in the center of the bedding area. I don’t know what else to say you need someone to look at it

    In South Jersey the good part of New Jersey, USA.

    #59963
    Craig
    Participant

    rubenip,
    Thank you for the photos, it helped a lot.
    As I suspected from one of your earlier photos, the “Y” yoke didn’t look right and it isn’t.
    The yoke on Stanley planes is a cast iron material.
    Yours is a stamped and formed material which is different and is not correctly bent. I just tried to duplicate your problem on my #4 and if the yoke is advanced too far, the cap iron screw is stopped, the blade lifts from the frog and the lateral lever is disengaged.
    The cast yokes cannot be bent or squeezed in an attempt to tightened up the backlash on the blade advance knob. Those that have tried are rewarded with a broken yoke. Your yoke is a replacement available here:

    http://servicenet.bostitch.com/Parts/Search?searchedNumber=16234

    There is a possibility that the yoke is installed backwards or is bent too much forward. You can remove the yoke by driving out the holding pin with a pin punch and either reverse the yoke or remove some of the bend with a hammer a little at a time.
    Hoping that this helps and resolves your problem.
    Nothing like getting to know your tools intimately 🙂
    Best,
    Craig
    P.S. I looked a little closer and I don’t think the yoke is reversed.
    I think you’ll have to remove some of the bend or file back the leading edge of the engagement tab, maybe both.

    SW Pennsylvania

    #59989
    BrianJ
    Participant

    Nicely done Craig…. Nicely done.

    Ontario, Canada

    #59997
    reubenlp
    Participant

    Wow! I shall have a go. Just to be sure you are talking about removing some of the bend from the little tab that moves the iron up and down (sorry for the simple language).

    Any idea what may be causing the lateral adjustment problems?

    Many, many thanks!
    Reuben

    #60002
    Alien8
    Participant

    Are you sure the whole frog assembly is Stanley? I have a record no 5 and the yoke looks surprisingly similar…
    Avail they are not completely interchangeable.

    Hth Diego

    #60005
    Craig
    Participant

    rubenip,
    Well, either removing or increasing the bend.
    You’ll have to examine the action of the tab on the blade assembly without the lever cap installed and think through whether the tab needs to be more forward or further back to prevent the cap iron screw from hitting the recess in the frog.
    You may also consider ordering a replacement yoke, just in case.

    Alien8: Yes, Record uses a stamped steel frog and there is the possibility this isn’t the right frog or yoke.

    SW Pennsylvania

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