Side table – Form/function/design and customer satisfaction

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  • #134744
    António Samagaio
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    Hi fellow readers!
    (if I got some…. hopefully)

    Its been a wile since my last topic in the forum. But this time I’ve been intrigued by th design aspect of designing an object considering all these things:
    – The Form,
    – The Function,
    – The overall design (I know this word has a LOT of meanings all over the world)
    – The customer satisfaction!

    And I mean from a hobby/amateur woodworker.

    So my example case:

    My wife’s birthday is next week, and she had one idea to get “something” to a particular space of the house. After a lot of debate she liked one drawing – the first picture.
    So I went down stairs and started to make it, like a good husband I am 🙂

    But last week,
    – I wanted to add tapper legs for the sake of the “looks more delicate/fancy” – but its all recycled pine and it don’t offer the appropriate support for what it supposed to be.
    – She like the legs like that, but wanted “something” on the side and on the front – I suggest some round tapper rails (like a broom stick). We both agreed.
    – “We” added a little front drawer… (my 1st one – yet to be born)
    Today I’m working on the changes.

    Disclaimer:
    1 – I know that if we work to ourselves is one thing, but working for a client (even if its the wife) then our work is on a very different championship.
    2 – I read a LOT of things about design, from pros to guys like me
    3 – Not always we can prototypes of the object for our “customers approve” and after that they can/will change their minds. 🙁
    4 – I think that I’m missing something.

    So my question to you all: How to balance all those things in a good, reliable, durable object?

    Enjoy the learning path...!!
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  • #134841
    Salko Safic
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    @salko

    When I was working with blackwood I faced the same issue of tearout even using a scraper which shouldn’t happen at all. After giving it much thought as I couldn’t scrap an order and work with a friendlier timber I raised the bevel of my planer blade to 50° which immediately solved the problem. The question remains why my scraper tore it and the 50° didn’t will forever haunt me. Blackwood is much like sapele as it’s notorious for reversing grain but you were using Pine and pine hand tools friendly. I don’t understand why you faced tearout at all. Are you certain you didn’t plane against the grain, sometimes grain is difficult to read one great method of testing grain direction is to run your fingers along the board and you’ll be able to feel which way the grain is going.

    https://journeymansjournel.wordpress.com
    The Lost Scrolls of HANDWORK
    (Hand tool only woodworking magazine)

    #134845
    António Samagaio
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    @ant11samagaio

    @salko
    Salko

    Thank for the input.
    It was only in some boards, not all of them
    As this is recycled, I’m not sure what pine species it is.
    I even try to raise the angle of the iron plane a bit but no success.

    But I can tell the down rails for the drawer are sapelly and I could manage with it.

    Plus here in the Iberian Peninsula (Portugal and Spain) we have different pine sub-species Pinus Pinaster Aiton sub Atlantica and sub Escarena (my sept-daugther has a degree in biologies :)) One of them are used for several things but impractical for furniture but great for post and foundations under water….

    And I don’t know how to difference them both, LOL

    Enjoy the learning path...!!
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    #134851
    pnj2411
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    @pnj2411

    I think that’s a great-looking table, especially considering the “naughty knotty” wood you have used. And the joinery looks flawless. If there are tearout problems, I can’t see them.

    Your original question was about design presentation and changes to that design for a client, even if a family member, and that is something I have experience with. The experience taught me that if one has worked wood, thought about the design elements, the realities of construction, and attempted then to put ideas on paper – the end result (while very useful to oneself) is not at all what a potential client might want, or be capable of understanding. I suspect most of us here approach a design and construction process similarly. Of course with Paul or Greg’s level of drawing skill it would be different.

    My wage-paying job is programming, and an axiom of that (first said by I cannot remember whom) is that, despite an extensive design process, customers do not know what they want until they see what you have built, and then they know that that is not it. We just accept this as part of life and change things. Of course in software that generally means fewer changes than in woodwork (but less firewood :))

    I don’t have a complete answer, sorry, but what helped me was to concentrate more on physical objects (museums or whatever) than (certainly my) drawings. Even wood colour can be a point of misunderstanding – my wife sees some woods whose natural colour I like as ‘too orange’. So I sometimes reluctantly paint the objects I make.

    Manxman living in France

    #134866
    António Samagaio
    Participant

    @ant11samagaio

    @pnj2411

    “…(but less firewood :))…” LOL
    I have 2 card boxes full of those “firewood” LOL

    What you’ve just written reminded me one time (when I was working in visual effects).
    After one all week -with overtime- and one entire team working on something when we show it to the director he loved it. And then he said. Great work but I’ll like that in different colors so i can chose… Back then, the advent of digital that means we need to to all over again for each color change… That was painful!

    Thanks for the input!

    Enjoy the learning path...!!
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    #134924
    António Samagaio
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    @ant11samagaio

    Today I dry fit the drawer.

    And discovered that my
    small level wasn’t true!
    and
    the 6mm French (goldengerg) chisel does not match the 6mm cuter from the Chinese (mujingfang) groove plane… Can you guess witch was wrong???

    The french chisel 5,6mm
    The chinese cutter 6,04mm

    Enjoy the learning path...!!
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    #134973
    António Samagaio
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    @ant11samagaio

    With the help from the “wood burner”

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    #134980
    Salko Safic
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    @salko

    nice

    https://journeymansjournel.wordpress.com
    The Lost Scrolls of HANDWORK
    (Hand tool only woodworking magazine)

    #135067
    António Samagaio
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    @ant11samagaio

    Wax and polish completed! 🙂
    It took more time to finish because of humidity. The shellac was hard to proper dry.

    If today I start this all over I would/might do a more aggressive on the tapered legs to match the thin rails.

    Enjoy the learning path...!!
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    #135071
    Greg Merritt
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    @gman3555

    This table turned out awesome Antonio! I really like the design on the drawer front. I may have to steal that for myself. LOL.

    http://hillbillydaiku.com

    #135075
    António Samagaio
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    @ant11samagaio

    @gman3555
    Thanks Greg. Any time

    Enjoy the learning path...!!
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    #135088
    Peter George
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    @pjgeorge

    The table looks very good Antonio.

    Peter in
    Biggar SK
    "New York is big, but this is Biggar"

    #135100
    António Samagaio
    Participant

    @ant11samagaio

    @pjgeorge

    Thanks Peter

    Enjoy the learning path...!!
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