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4 November 2014 at 1:31 am #120486
I was so excited, today was the day I was going to touch up my tenon saw and start a new project. I’ve read all there is to read, watched Paul’s videos and others, bought a crappy saw to begin with tried it and from the word go it worked beautifully. Then took out my LN saw first wall I hit the angle was to the left but I still dove into I made only single strokes didn’t even touch the set and then when I made a test cut it was all over the place.
I took it to a saw sharpener and he said the set is out, bloody how I never touched it. Atleast the teeth were all even now I’m petrified to try this again.
Without someone present it’s bloody hard to learn on your own.
4 November 2014 at 5:04 am #120488Go get a pc. Off light steel 3/16 or 1/8 3″x 6 or so.cot 10 pt. Teeth and set them or get a 12 or 14 inc.wall board tral. It will be just like a saw blaid do the same cut teeth it. By the time you have cut a time or two you will have it worked out.
I don’t know much about saw sharpening, other than what I’ve seen paul do, but I don’t think you can change the set by sharpening alone. Could the set from Lie Nielsen be what was off? I would imagine each sharpener would have their own preference as to how to set a saw.
I wouldn’t give up. Just practice sharpening and setting on a cheap saw. I figure before I fullly understand something, I have to try multiple times, screw up big time, attempt to fix my mistakes serval more times, before finally doing it right.
4 November 2014 at 10:16 am #120493That is a good point you made but I doubt very much it wasn’t set correctly, I’ve had and used this saw for a good 2 years now and this is the firat time I only wanted just to touch it up because even after so long using it, it was still sharp but not sharp enough. However lately I have noticed the saw starting to bind in the cut so maybe somehow but I don’t know how it’s possible that it lost it’s set.
I need to learn how to sharpen, some folks learn how to sharpen before they even learn to woodwork, others dive into joints and then other just start making things and learn the joinery as they go along and that’s how i started all those years ago. My uncle was a saw sharpener and made files by hand I was too young to learn and he passed away so I lost my opportunity there. My grandad made furniture by hand which was the norm then he passed away during WWII so I another opportunity. My dad he’s a power tool guy so there’s nothing to learn there. Since 99.99% of us have not the opportunity to do an old school apprentischip we are basically on our own.
I will as I have no choice but to learn how to sharpen these saws but it’s going to be difficult finding old saws in this country and shipping them from the US or England is down right expensive. So my alternative will be if these saw sharpener does a great job on my saw is to employ them as my teacher and get them to feed me work which in return I will have to work for free in order to learn. If they cannot feed me work then I will have no option but but to pay the shipping and that’s the price you pay for knoweledge.
I do not see any other alternative. This is 2014 not 1914 saw sharpener are too far and few so in order to continue working wood we as craftsman have an obligation towards ourselves to learn how to bloody well do these things ourselves. As Paul said it takes 4 mins to sharpen a saw that’s included putting it in the vice, sending it away takes 3 days before you get it back. That’s not good practice in my view, so learn it is. It just means that my work must slow down till I become competant at sharpening saws.
4 November 2014 at 10:45 am #120497@salko i feel your pain, i do my best but its not great as yet, have you thought about joining a woodworking group in your local area (like men in sheds) i for one feel a bit more confident when there are other people around to ask for suggestions or even give advice i’m sure there are older men in your community that would enjoy teaching a youngster like yourself.if there isn’t one in your area how about starting one i’m sure you have skills you can pass on .
4 November 2014 at 12:28 pm #120500Eddy it’s a great idea but a little out of my league, to start a club would be a nice thought even a dream but unfortunately due to the red tape of our local council and the insurance costs would be over whelming. Having said that the nearest woodworkers club is over 70km away. However we do have a woodturners association which at one stage I was a member of. It taught me nothing as it was more of a social club filled with elderly people who have no woodturning experience with the exception of 2 younger ones who ran the club. I learned more on my own than I did in 12 months with that club and I feel the same would happen in a woodworkers club. These clubs are nothing more than retirement villages filled mostly with elderly people to pass time.
Truly a fantastic idea and after all I said I would very much like to start such a club a comletely unplugged workshop but I know far too well that the insurance costs alone would close the shop before it even begun. I’m not sure what you pay in England or the US but whatever it is triple that or even quad triple that here.
None the less a pleasant dream.
5 November 2014 at 5:16 am #120537That is what I said. CUT them ,make them
Go to norswoodman again down load his pdf for spacing teeth. And cut them in a pc of metal putty knives work well…
Go to web sit Logan cabnet shop he is a saw doc. Has a nice blog, look up his vid on cutting teeth
Or look at Pauls a few more times and then go do it. It won’t hurt, but not trying mit.
Best wishs
Frankj5 November 2014 at 11:15 am #120569Frank I don’t know how to sharpen them let along make one from scratch.
5 November 2014 at 12:55 pm #120572I didn’t eather untill I tryed. Show your brass man. As they say just do it. By the time you are done
You will know,
its not hard. Unless you think it is, you know how hard it is for me to type, think how hard woodworking is for me. The doc. Said I could not walk, but I do after a fashon. Don’t ever quit ALL THINGS ARE POSABLE.
Good luck my frend
Frankj5 November 2014 at 1:15 pm #120573Ok you got me find me the link to norswoodman
I’ll look up logan besides I sent him an email earlier he knows me.5 November 2014 at 2:48 pm #120576In a way its a bit easier to sharpen a new saw then an old and damaged saw. If it doesn’t run straight it could be a set issue. Ron Herman has a saw sharpening video out. While its different then the P.S. method ( lot of time on crosscut, and fleam angles, not a progressive rake like Paul) I find it explains well how to correct the run of a saw and about its set. Its like anything, you just need some practice. It isn’t as hard as it seems. If some teeth are a bit off, it doesn’t really matter. Now if I can figure out sharpening gouges! Thats the thing that troubles me. I have to spend time on it.
5 November 2014 at 10:14 pm #120604I’ll take a look at Ron Herman but let me help you with the gouges go to Mary May’s website https://www.marymaycarving.com/carvingschool/ and for sharpening videos they are free. They are the easiest of them all to sharpen.
6 November 2014 at 1:31 am #120625My faith in mankind has been restored, I just got back my tenon saw and it’s super sharp and cuts beautifully. In fact sharper than when I initially bought the saw. I met the man who sharpened my saw and shook his hand with pride. He cuts 2000 saws by hand and is willing to teach me but I have to wait till Christmas, for now he is going to write me up a guide to follow and later I’ll be in his shop standing there watching him.
Immediately the bosses were not happy with this arrangement obviously loss of business for them and that’s understandable but if they reneg I can always go to his home 70km away to learn. I just hope he doesn’t change his mind. I never thought such a person existed in this country, I guess because the internet is full of British and American teachers while the Aussies quietly work in their sheds and are not interested in getting themselves known to the world. This isn’t surpising but typical of our folk, I guess we have always been known as the quiet achievers.
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