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  1. Michal Kuchta on 1 March 2019 at 10:49 am

    Excellent video, Paul! Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge. It makes the perfect sense to call it a knifewall.

  2. Lozza La on 1 March 2019 at 10:59 am

    When you rub up against the knife wall, does the “set” from the tenon saw damage the pristine shoulder edge? Do you lean the saw over to compensate for the set?

    • bobeaston on 1 March 2019 at 11:53 am

      After learning this technique several years ago, I use it constantly to make very precise cuts

      No, The tenon saw does not damage the knife wall. The reason is simple, once you see it in action. After chisleing out that slight trench next to the knifewall, the teeth of the tenon saw actually start cutting just below the depth of the knifewall, never touching it.

      The result is a nice clean wall, maybe 1/16″ deep which can be used as a reference for final planing.

  3. Benoît Van Noten on 1 March 2019 at 11:05 am

    – As a complement to this video, I strongly recommend Paul’s blog :
    https://paulsellers.com/2017/12/whats-knifewall/

    because it shows clearly the difference between the waste side and the keep side of the knifewall.
    This was a “Aha” moment for me.

  4. Benoît Van Noten on 1 March 2019 at 11:15 am

    – As my mother language is French, I was wandering how to translate “knifewall”.
    It is not easy. As in fact the knife wall establishes the limit/reference of the chisel/saw cutting to come after paring/shooting where necessary, I would suggest to other French speakers: “butée de coupe”.

  5. Stephen Shipley on 1 March 2019 at 11:56 am

    I learned this at school in 1961 when it was known as “veeing in the waste”. It’s nearly the same idea but “knifewall” is a much better expression. I have to say that “veeing in the waste” did bring home to me, in those very early days, which piece I was keeping and which piece I was cutting off.

    One thing that Paul has definitely brought to this is the three-cut approach. I wasted a lot of time (and wood) pressing too hard on the first stroke.

    When using the chisel, the knifewall is an essential first step to prevent the bevel pushing the chisel into what would be the knifewall, hence spoiling the finished part.

  6. Robin Beach on 1 March 2019 at 12:41 pm

    Thanks so much Paul. Perfect nomenclature for a perfect technique. Greatly appreciated.

  7. sherbin18 on 1 March 2019 at 12:55 pm

    When I saw Paul use this technique at the Somerset NJ woodworking show many years ago, it literally changed my woodworking path.

    Thank you, Paul and crew, for all the great techniques. Keep them coming.

  8. bigaxe on 1 March 2019 at 1:14 pm

    This a great technique, I learned it years ago from Paul. Sometimes I am tempted to skip the step using a pencil (or I get sloppy with my pencil) to outline my cut. But then I remember the old adage “measure twice cut once”

  9. roberttheoret on 1 March 2019 at 1:26 pm

    Thanks Paul for your teaching, leaning the bevel of the knive was a good tip for me. I was wandering you seem to have a different shooting board that you have on your to do video, is it and improvement of the old version and do you think to do a new video.

    Thanks
    Robert
    Quebec Canada

  10. Dr. Ron Goldstein on 1 March 2019 at 1:33 pm

    I have been watching you for years using the knife wall. This in depth explanation was so enlightening. Thank you Paul

  11. trapnell on 1 March 2019 at 1:40 pm

    Paul, the shooting board you are using is not the one/type you showed us how to build. Is this new? Do you find it better than the old one? Is there a specific reason you changed it? I find the knife wall mandatory when I cross cut with a hand saw. Thanks for the refresher.

    • Izzy BergerTeam Member on 4 March 2019 at 11:42 am

      Hi,

      Paul says:

      I still prefer the original shooting board because I feel it has longevity built into it. The second one was one I put together for a video series and was showing people how to make a sort of poor man’s version quick and simple.

      Kind Regards,
      Izzy

  12. Joseph Reynolds on 1 March 2019 at 2:47 pm

    Paul, I love watching your technique videos. Could you make one a day? Each is a great vitamin of knowledge to us all!

    How deep do you make your knife wall? When you chisel out that first channel, you always seem to get such a nice chunk out, leaving a decent wall established to guide the saw. I assume that is a function of the depth of the knife wall and of course a good sharp chisel. Thanks for all that you do.

  13. Dirk Ogier on 1 March 2019 at 2:53 pm

    Dear Paul.
    Thank you for teaching us. I am a beginning woodworker, so i have a lot to learn.

    With kind regards
    Dirk Ogier

  14. Dean Mougianis on 1 March 2019 at 3:30 pm

    This was great. The info on the double bevel of the knife is so helpful. Thank you, thank you, Paul.

    One thing I would love to see is any tips or advice for keeping the saw square and plumb. I’ve been practicing, but my cut wanders. Is it just repeated practice or is there a trick or two?

    • Tom Prager on 1 March 2019 at 4:45 pm

      #1 is starting with a sharp saw, so that the cut doesn’t follow the path of least resistance — the soft summerwood — rather than cutting through both soft and harder winterwood layers equally. #2 is to establish a square cut at the beginning, and then tip your saw, tip-up and hand-down, so that your new cuts that face you are triangulating against the first cut you made at the far back corner. I often use a chair to help making very acute cuts nearer to vertical — say 30 degrees or more. This way you can keep cutting along the line that’s easiest to see, knowing that the back point is always the same. #3 is to occasionally bring the cut down to nearer 90 degrees by applying pressure to that back point of the triangle, keeping the near point cutless. When doing this, I always check the back side, even though it rarelywanders off line. Continue in a see-saw rhythm like that, all the way though the board.

      I recently ripped 10’ 2x4s into two 2x2s. I told the guy at the lumber yard, who expressed surprise that I was able to follow the line without wandering, using a hand saw, keeping my cuts square and true. Who needs a table saw?!

      • Tom Prager on 1 March 2019 at 5:21 pm

        One more tip: keep your saw lubricated, using Paul’s oil-in-a-can technique.

      • fudoka on 26 March 2019 at 5:53 pm

        Don’t fight the saw. My old woodwork teacher (back in the 1960s) used to say that the saw does the cutting, you just push it backwards and forwards

    • Izzy BergerTeam Member on 8 March 2019 at 3:40 pm

      Hi Dean,

      Paul says it’s just a question of doing it over and over again.

      Kind Regards,
      Izzy

  15. Tom Prager on 1 March 2019 at 4:19 pm

    I say we petition dictionaries to add the word to the lexicon for eternity. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/knifewall

  16. noeywest on 1 March 2019 at 4:34 pm

    What kind of knife does paul use?

  17. David B on 1 March 2019 at 5:08 pm

    Once this technique is learned (along with creating a square reference face) and appreciated for its accuracy it becomes ingrained in other activities where precision and accuracy meaningfully improve results. The razor sharp knife-edge is the closest thing to a singular point/line that can provide a visible divide between waste and want. Respecting its definitivity (a word I just made up:) ) ensures accuracy, improves quality and gives confidence in measurement.

    • Tom Prager on 1 March 2019 at 6:13 pm

      Plus, it’s the only way to follow the same exact line around corners. If you try marking with a pencil, you’ll never wind up at the same line after trying to follow around all four corners. It requires a definitive, mechanical “tick,” instead of a visual pencil line, which is always a guess, no matter how accurate.

  18. christribe on 1 March 2019 at 8:20 pm

    This is nothing new. I was taught exactly this method aged 13 at Swanmore Secondary Modern School in the UK in 1964.

    • Fred Love on 2 March 2019 at 5:10 am

      The technique has been around for a very long time. Probably centuries, if not millennia. Paul decided to start calling it a knife wall. Some people seem to think that’s a big deal. What I would call a knife line, he calls a knife wall even before he has turned the line into a wall with the chisel.

  19. Andy Abbott on 1 March 2019 at 11:27 pm

    My old woodwork teacher, Mr Good explained to me when you are using a marking knife that you are making a wall and that wall will help stop saw’s from slipping help guide your cut, also when you chisel when you finally get close to it the wall will fall down, this would have been about 1965/6, so from that time I always used to call it a wall, so yes the logical name would be a knife wall.

  20. Nathan Fletcher-Jones on 2 March 2019 at 1:13 am

    Knife wall has saved me many hours of trying to get clean cuts with hand tools. I first learnt it building the workbench from the YouTube series and have used it everyday to great effect to complete tasks accurately and cleanly. Even builders should use knife wall.
    Thanks Paul.

    Nathan

  21. Bob Garrett on 2 March 2019 at 4:31 am

    Mr. Sellers you are a genius sir. I’m humbled by your depth of wisdom and knowledge of woodworking. I own two of your books and plan to purchase anything of yours I can get my hands on. Thank you very much for sharing that knowledge with all of us.

    Joe Garrett

    • jeffdustin on 3 March 2019 at 1:48 am

      When you pop the chisel, do you ever go too deeply and dig into the knifewall? I could see me doing that and then throwing the wood into the fire.

      • Jim Thornton on 3 March 2019 at 2:56 am

        I’m not sure what you mean by “pop the chisel”? If you’re talking about the first chiseling up to the knife wall, I don’t “pop it”, I just gingerly work it from about 1/8″ from the knife-wall to the knife-wall. You can feel it when you cross the knife cut and arrive at the wall on the other side. No firewood necessary. Grab some scrap and practice. It won’t take long to get the feel of it.

      • Izzy BergerTeam Member on 8 March 2019 at 3:39 pm

        Hi Jeff,

        Paul says:
        I can see this being a possibility but the more you do it the more confident you become.

        Kind Regards,
        Izzy

  22. jcat on 2 March 2019 at 6:00 am

    I was unfamiliar with using a knife/knife wall for layout and so on, yet again Mr Sellers has lifted my work to new levels of accuracy and quality. I thank him
    Cheers
    Jcat

  23. David Holmes on 2 March 2019 at 4:07 pm

    Thanks Paul. Employing this technique has completely changed the results I am getting in my woodworking. It is probably the single best piece of guidance I’ve ever received.

  24. abtuser on 3 March 2019 at 6:41 am

    Like others here, I’m curious about the different looking shooting board, compared to the original one you showed us how to build in a video.

  25. cagire on 5 March 2019 at 7:57 am

    It’s always a joy to watch and listen to Paul. Having been enlightened to this technique by Paul a few years ago, I made myself two separate marking knives (out of a spent crosscut saw blade) one with a left hand bevel and one with a right…
    yes I could have made do with a double beveled edge, but I don’t need much excuse to start a woodwork/woodshop related project. Thanks Paul.

  26. wadepatton on 8 March 2019 at 7:15 pm

    I purchased an inexpensive single-bevel Japanese knife for making knifewalls. One can hold it perfectly vertical when using the straight side against the guide. They do come in left and right bevels. Of course a fellow can grind his own single bevel blade as well.

  27. Nicholas Gaudiuso on 9 March 2019 at 2:46 pm

    When cutting a long board down to multiple shorter lengths for a project with a crosscut saw, I have a hard time not splintering both ends badly. Do you reccomend using a knife wall when cutting a long board into multiple lengths as well? Should a knife wall be used with crosscut panel saw as well?

    • Ed on 9 March 2019 at 3:04 pm

      Yes, definitely. Look at the first episode of the tool drawer organizer and look for the question by John Sherman in the comments area for that video as well as the answers.

    • Benoît Van Noten on 15 March 2019 at 1:01 pm

      Make two knifewall all around the board and saw between them.
      Space them a little more than the kerf width.

  28. jurgen01 on 11 April 2019 at 4:32 pm

    I first used a knife for marking purposes when I was a teenager working with my step-father in his cabinet-makers shop.

    The ONLY time i used a knife to mark the work was when I was cutting plywood and wanted to avoid tear-out. For that purpose, the knife mark worked very well.

    Only after watching this channel in the past few years have I learned the many benefits of using the knife as a marking tool. Now, I use this technique in my shop every day and it has improved my work.

    I’m still learning at 70 year of age.

    Thanks!

  29. Beerislooov Beerislooov on 7 May 2019 at 1:40 pm

    Czemu tutaj pokazuje sie wegierskie forum?

    Why is the Hungarian forum shown here?

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