Plane Sole Flattening on a Woodriver#7

Is it possible to do something about the side?
How hard would it be to flatten the sole?
Is it normal to have become concave after 2 years of use? If I had bought a more expensive plane would it eventually happen all the same?
If I decide to pass it on and look for a new plane, what would you go for?

1) Yes, same as flattening the sole, if the wing is out of square and canted away from the body. If it’s canted inwards, you could theoretically hammer it out, but wings are not the strongest part of a plane, so I’d have that done back at the factory, if it’s still under warranty, or by a professional.

2) Not that hard. Planes are made of iron, not tool steel, so metal is generally removed somewhat quickly. Don’t be miserly with the sandpaper — plan on burning through a few meters of the coarsest grits, say 220 and half that of 320. When it stops cutting quickly, switch it out. Otherwise, with a #7, it’ll take a long time. Use WD-40 or some light oil for lubrication, clean the swarf off the paper and the tool when you’re pausing to inspect your progress.
When you get into the finer grits it tends to use up less sandpaper, because you’re not removing significant material, you’re just removing the coarser scratches from the previous grit and replacing them with finer scratches from the current grit. Once you get up to 800 grit, you won’t need more than the first sheet.
I get these adhesive-backed rolls: http://www.woodworkingshop.com/category.aspx?id=22&f2=ADHESIVE&f1=6%22+X+5
They are nice and wide, so you can use one side of the sheet to flatten and then when it stops cutting quickly use the other side, cutting in half the number of times you have to replace the paper. It lays nice and flat, and cuts well. You’ll burn through an entire 5 meter roll of the 240 if the sole is significantly out of flat — been there, done that — but yours doesn’t look too bad.
I’d get the 240, 320, 400, 600, 800, 1000. You’ll use most of the 240 and maybe half the 320, but you’ll have tons leftover of the 400 and greater, so you can do the scary sharp method for quite a while afterwards, or flatten a pile of planes with minimal additional investment…just some more 240 and 320.

Remember not to use significant downward force when flattening! It’s too easy to smash the sole flat, and then remove material from the entire sole, as opposed to removing the parts which protrude first, and gradually working down to the entire sole. Clifton planes have said their machine uses a max of 12 lbs of downforce, IIRC.

3) As Larry said, flattening the sole is a normal part of maintenance. Depends on how often you use it, how much of a gorilla you are when you use it, and the kinds of wood you’re processing.

4) If you’re going to get a new one, go for a Veritas or a LN, unless you really enjoy restoring old tools. You’re going to spend 150 or so on a Stanley from ebay which is in questionable condition, and then maybe sourcing some replacement parts, flattening the sole and squaring the wings, sharpening the blade and flattening the back, adjusting the frog, etc, etc, etc. Depending on how much your time is worth to you it might end up costing you as much as a new premium plane.
If you drop 425 for the LN it arrives in flawless condition — the sole is flatter than most of our straight edges (and to Larry’s point about the planes moving, because LV/LN use stress-relieved iron, it’s very stable and tends to remain flat and true requiring only the periodic maintenance mentioned above), the blade back is lapped to perfection and sharp enough to use (although you’ll want to use your finest stones to improve the edge before using it), the frog is precisely adjusted to position the blade just so, and the wings are perfectly square for accurate shooting — it’s a delight. Better yet, if any of that is not the case, just send it back and they will apologize profusely and replace it with one in perfect condition.

There are some other premium planes (Clifton, et al) but I have no experience with them.

Most plane bodies are cast (a few are forged). Regardless I wouldn’t hammer the side as ATMO it’s the wrong tool for the job. I can expound if anyone is curious.

Questions:
1 How is the sole concave? Is it cupped? Bowed? By how much?

2 How out of square are the sides?

3 How often do you test the plane and how consistent are your testing procedures? Have you tested your test standards?

Significant wear in two years, with anything less than full time use, suggests that the steel of the plane body is very soft. I wouldn’t expect this wear in a wooden plane over two years, so it’s worth checking all of these points before taking on the hard yak of flattening a big plane.

Cupping isn’t generally a problem with a jointer. A jointer is almost always used on stock narrower than the plane. This is why they can develop a cup. Typically this is harmless in use; one just adjusts where to set the plane for the cut they want.

A bow can be a real problem, if it’s a single curve. If the mouth (front and back) front of toe and back of base form a plane (and high everywhere else) you should still see good results. If you have one big curve, flattening is called for.

As noted by others, the lateral adjuster can compensate on a shooting board. Moreover, only one side needs be square on a shooting board(depending on whether you are right or left handed).

More importantly, are you using it to shoot? That’s a very big plane for shooting, although there are circumstances where it’s the appropriate tool.

Hope this helps

Rick

Like this?

Record No. T5 Technical Jack Plane

Dave

Like this?

Yup.

Nice find.

I’ve also toyed with the idea of a wooden skew plane, but I have several irons in the fire already, and I’m at the stage where where my wife tells me I should be selling off tools.

Won’t happen.

I find a good 5 1/2 is more than good enough for all shooting needs on my shooting boards, I’ve tried my no7 and it’s actually too long! I’d need a huge bench for that to work.

Hi Dave.

Neat tool.

I’ve only seen pictures of those things. They are about as prevalent as unicorns here.
I think at least some of them are beaten planes. The cutters reach the edge, so there isn’t anything to ride on the fixture.

Whenever I see a brass or bronze version of rare tools I assume some pattern maker at a factory had the foundry workers cast them. That holds for tools like Brass or bronze Stanley routers. Stanley never made any and they are easy to sand cast if you have the original.

That plane looks like it might be brazed together.

When I was young I worked at a joinery that build colonial reproduction cabinets with special hinges. We just took the patterns to a local foundry ( Littlestown foundry, which still exists), and came back in a couple days to pick up a bucket of castings. They were all hand finished in our shop.